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Sorry, I'd thought you were saying that we shouldn't pick inexperienced players, because that'd mean lots of inexperienced players, and thus inexperienced units, which would be bad.Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:28 pm I guess I'm failing to be very clear here. I'm not suggesting we pick that 6-10 combo at all, just that we lost a couple of years of potential selection for someone like Mercer* in a more settled, experienced unit. We've got all these guys like Willis, Mercer, Barbeary, Murley, Atkinson, Freeman etc. who might be playing well enough to deserve a spot, but many of them would be getting introduced to the team alongside other newbies. That's all I was getting at.
*I can't even remember if he was in the RWC training squads or not though, but clearly hadn't convinced Borthwick for whatever reason.
But, in Dombrandt's case, was a whole 6N not a reasonable chance to the extent that it is someone else's turn for a similar run of games? There are only so many international games.
Dombrant being one of the chief gash players through. Dude has 15 caps and hasn't shown the relentless work rate or ability to break the line that you'd expect from an international number 8. He's a clever and skillful player but on prior performances hasn't shown he can bring his club performances to the international stage.
Road to JIFF status outlined here. Relied on him signing an Espoirs contract before 21 and extending that.francoisfou wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:48 pmI'm confused now (happens regularly in my advancing yearsMargin_Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:38 am Sure I've read similar, albeit clearly he's not in the frame to ever play for France as it stands, no matter how long he's there for. Scotland and Wales maybe...
Only mention it because of the press articles (fallible I know) confidently stating that JIFF was a possibility for him in 3. This was from the Times:
Midol also suggesting the same in thisArundell's value will rise in France at the end of his new contract. In France if a player, regardless of their nationality, joins a club while or before they are 20 and stay for three years, they become classed as a homegrown player, or a joueurs issus des filières de formation (JIFF). That is important as each Top 14 club must have an average of 16 JIFF players in their match-day 23-man squads across the league season, or face punishments. If they average more than 16 they gain financial credits.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/2023/12/09/tra ... 632192.php) If he's now considered, at the age of 21, as a product of Racing's development squad then he could play for France in three years' time? If that's true, so much the better for Henri and for the XV de France!
I'd love to see him at fullback for les Bleus with Penaud and Bielle-Biarrey on the wings!
my apols, thought he only had 7. General point stands- cant write off any players...bar porter obvs...based on a couple of nondescript efforts in a gash team. Even 15 in a gash environment could have some leeway.FKAS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:12 pmDombrant being one of the chief gash players through. Dude has 15 caps and hasn't shown the relentless work rate or ability to break the line that you'd expect from an international number 8. He's a clever and skillful player but on prior performances hasn't shown he can bring his club performances to the international stage.
Wow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.Puja wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:34 pm Itoje is due to re-sign with Saracens, with his salary getting bolstered by £160k in hybrid contract, according to the Telegraph. Jamie George is also getting the same deal, which is less exciting, but I'm okay with making the young talent work to push him out of the XV. If they want the shirt, they'll have to get good enough to displace him.
Puja
Well, we already know Leicester are getting one with Watson and presumably whomever else is in Stall Benightedly's core group will get one - they're supposed to be replacing EPS match fees, so players have consistency of income and don't worry about trying to play through injuries to pay their mortgage, etc. I guess if you don't want Saracens to get all the contracts, start producing more core players of the squad?FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:05 amWow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.Puja wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:34 pm Itoje is due to re-sign with Saracens, with his salary getting bolstered by £160k in hybrid contract, according to the Telegraph. Jamie George is also getting the same deal, which is less exciting, but I'm okay with making the young talent work to push him out of the XV. If they want the shirt, they'll have to get good enough to displace him.
Puja
Supposedly.
There's always going to be contentious decisions about who gets the contracts though. If you're say Falcons and struggling to make ends meat already how happy are you going to be if Radwan and Blamire, two strong England prospects are overlooked in favour of the likes of say Malins and George. Players who arguably aren't that good or whom are coming to the end of their careers for clubs who have backers paying cash in.Puja wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:17 amWell, we already know Leicester are getting one with Watson and presumably whomever else is in Stall Benightedly's core group will get one - they're supposed to be replacing EPS match fees, so players have consistency of income and don't worry about trying to play through injuries to pay their mortgage, etc. I guess if you don't want Saracens to get all the contracts, start producing more core players of the squad?FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:05 amWow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.Puja wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:34 pm Itoje is due to re-sign with Saracens, with his salary getting bolstered by £160k in hybrid contract, according to the Telegraph. Jamie George is also getting the same deal, which is less exciting, but I'm okay with making the young talent work to push him out of the XV. If they want the shirt, they'll have to get good enough to displace him.
Puja
Puja
Steady. This sort of behaviour will get you banned from RR.Which Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:36 amI'll save any bile for the unfairness of the distribution until we know who's getting them all, and the details of what they actually mean.
Tiny-Arms is starting against Clermont this weekend, which is an incredible turn-around after his injury.p/d wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:26 pmAmazing isn’t it.Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:06 am
Good to hear Mercer is fit again, though he does somehow seem to have become a top class international in the time since his one underwhelming England appearance.
Hasn’t he got short arms, as such not much of a line out option.
I've been thoroughly underwhelmed and I wasn't expecting much when we signed him. Looks like the usual decent-ish player that Worcester made look better than they were with excellent teamwork and very solid patterns, who inevitably disappoints when he goes to somewhere bigger, cf. Denton, Spencer, Mullen, etc.Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:52 pmWhat’s the deal with Hatherall? I feel like people were raving about him when he was at Worcester but not sure I’ve noticed him much for Tigers?
er, if you notice, I pivoted to making a general point....ie don't write players off if they aren't tearing up trees in a sh+t team; I accept that 15 is a quite few tho, and as noted I'm no Dombrandt fan.FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:05 amWow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.Puja wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:34 pm Itoje is due to re-sign with Saracens, with his salary getting bolstered by £160k in hybrid contract, according to the Telegraph. Jamie George is also getting the same deal, which is less exciting, but I'm okay with making the young talent work to push him out of the XV. If they want the shirt, they'll have to get good enough to displace him.
Puja
Banquo, 15 caps and name one where he's shown signs of physical dominance. The nature of the team does give some leeway but at the same time he played with Care and Smith on tandem just like at Quins and my abiding memory is him overrunning the passes from Smith. He's had chances others may well now get a chance ahead of him and he can't complain if they do.
I'm not writing Dombrant off, I'm open to him still potentially being a success at international level but there's no point pretending there's an excuse for what has gone previously. He's disappointed.Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:02 pmer, if you notice, I pivoted to making a general point....ie don't write players off if they aren't tearing up trees in a sh+t team; I accept that 15 is a quite few tho, and as noted I'm no Dombrandt fan.FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:05 amWow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.Puja wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:34 pm Itoje is due to re-sign with Saracens, with his salary getting bolstered by £160k in hybrid contract, according to the Telegraph. Jamie George is also getting the same deal, which is less exciting, but I'm okay with making the young talent work to push him out of the XV. If they want the shirt, they'll have to get good enough to displace him.
Puja
Banquo, 15 caps and name one where he's shown signs of physical dominance. The nature of the team does give some leeway but at the same time he played with Care and Smith on tandem just like at Quins and my abiding memory is him overrunning the passes from Smith. He's had chances others may well now get a chance ahead of him and he can't complain if they do.
The point appears to be flying well over your head. I stopped making a specific of dombrandt two posts ago....and I didn`t say you`d written anyone off, not that it matters if you or even I doFKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:04 pmI'm not writing Dombrant off, I'm open to him still potentially being a success at international level but there's no point pretending there's an excuse for what has gone previously. He's disappointed.Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:02 pmer, if you notice, I pivoted to making a general point....ie don't write players off if they aren't tearing up trees in a sh+t team; I accept that 15 is a quite few tho, and as noted I'm no Dombrandt fan.FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:05 am
Wow, RFU step in and help Sarries cheat the cap in a new way. That's going to go down oh so well unless other hybrid deals come in for other Prem teams.
Banquo, 15 caps and name one where he's shown signs of physical dominance. The nature of the team does give some leeway but at the same time he played with Care and Smith on tandem just like at Quins and my abiding memory is him overrunning the passes from Smith. He's had chances others may well now get a chance ahead of him and he can't complain if they do.
Players change and develop over time so I'd write off few.