Novichok 2.0

[kk67]

Just a stunning revelation that the innocent Russian tourists have careers in the military under different names, not even Cassandra saw that one coming

Have you watched the new series of Red Dwarf..?.
They're pretty good. The episode dealing with curing psychopaths was interesting.

[Digby]

Just a stunning revelation that the innocent Russian tourists have careers in the military under different names, not even Cassandra saw that one coming

Have you watched the new series of Red Dwarf..?.
They're pretty good. The episode dealing with curing psychopaths was interesting.

I like Red Dwarf series 1&2, series 3 was heading down, and after that pfft

Good to see you're retaining your obsession with psychopaths

[Sandydragon]

Just a stunning revelation that the innocent Russian tourists have careers in the military under different names, not even Cassandra saw that one coming

Interesting that many of the usual suspects are keeping s bit quiet now.

The only question is whether Putin personally authorised this or whether some underlings got a bit carried away.

[Zhivago]

Just a stunning revelation that the innocent Russian tourists have careers in the military under different names, not even Cassandra saw that one coming

Interesting that many of the usual suspects are keeping s bit quiet now.

The only question is whether Putin personally authorised this or whether some underlings got a bit carried away.

Oh, we're supposed to think Bellingcat is a credible source? We're just tired of this bullshit. Every time things get tough for May with Brexit, another little disinformation piece is released to distract. The timing is impecable.

[Sandydragon]

And with that comment, Zhivago goes full conspiracy theorist. In the face of all other evidence, this is a set up to save blushes over Brexit.

Given the manner in which bellingcat provide the detail of their research, I’d put a lot more credence on that compared to many of the alt media sources quoted on here. But I suppose if you already believe that this wasn’t the work of the Russians then you will look for anything to corroborate your views, no?

[Zhivago]

And with that comment, Zhivago goes full conspiracy theorist. In the face of all other evidence, this is a set up to save blushes over Brexit.

Given the manner in which bellingcat provide the detail of their research, I’d put a lot more credence on that compared to many of the alt media sources quoted on here. But I suppose if you already believe that this wasn’t the work of the Russians then you will look for anything to corroborate your views, no?

I am getting closer to believing the official narrative, but after Iraq, who can blame someone for being cautious believing the gov?

Before I decide to believe proven liars, I'll be open to alternatives.
E. G.
https://russia-insider.com/en/petrov-an ... ts-russian

[Digby]

There are no angels in all this, but it's sure as hell not the case that the grouping breaks down as proven liars in one corner and the Russians in the other. The Russians are all too often more inclined to deny a vast domestic nuclear meltdown than speak truth to the public

[Zhivago]

There are no angels in all this, but it's sure as hell not the case that the grouping breaks down as proven liars in one corner and the Russians in the other. The Russians are all too often more inclined to deny a vast domestic nuclear meltdown than speak truth to the public

I'm not believing either of them. Just saying we are listening to a bunch of liars and supposed to believe what one of them says? Fuck that shit. It's probably some big play between two secret agencies. God only knows what the truth is. It's distracting from what really matters.

[Puja]

There are no angels in all this, but it's sure as hell not the case that the grouping breaks down as proven liars in one corner and the Russians in the other. The Russians are all too often more inclined to deny a vast domestic nuclear meltdown than speak truth to the public

I'm not believing either of them. Just saying we are listening to a bunch of liars and supposed to believe what one of them says? Fuck that shit. It's probably some big play between two secret agencies. God only knows what the truth is. It's distracting from what really matters.

Surely Occam's Razor comes into play here.

We have two men with false names and consecutive passports, one who is confirmed ex-special forces and decorated by Putin. They are known to have come to the country for two days, gone straight to Salisbury and gone out of their way to go to the area where the Skripals live (which is purely residential and has nothing of any interest to a tourist). To Russia, Skripal is a traitor who is actively leaking secrets to the UK. To the UK, he is an active source of intelligence. These are the indisputable facts.

Russia's explanation is that they are tourists who decided to spend two days in the country and ignore any of the traditional sights like London or Stonehenge, in favour of going to Salisbury Cathedral, and coincidentally decided to take a detour to a residential area with nothing for a tourist to see. At the same time as this coincidental visit by an ex-Russian special forces colonel, an enemy of Russia was poisoned.

The UK's explanation is that they were Russian agents sent to kill him.

If you had two equally credible explanations, or if one side had a history of being clearly more credible than the other, then I can understand equivocating. As it is, I think the Russian explanation is only one step above, "Yeah, we did it and we don't care if you know." It's a fig leaf.

Puja

[Zhivago]

There are no angels in all this, but it's sure as hell not the case that the grouping breaks down as proven liars in one corner and the Russians in the other. The Russians are all too often more inclined to deny a vast domestic nuclear meltdown than speak truth to the public

I'm not believing either of them. Just saying we are listening to a bunch of liars and supposed to believe what one of them says? Fuck that shit. It's probably some big play between two secret agencies. God only knows what the truth is. It's distracting from what really matters.

Surely Occam's Razor comes into play here.

We have two men with false names and consecutive passports, one who is confirmed ex-special forces and decorated by Putin. They are known to have come to the country for two days, gone straight to Salisbury and gone out of their way to go to the area where the Skripals live (which is purely residential and has nothing of any interest to a tourist). To Russia, Skripal is a traitor who is actively leaking secrets to the UK. To the UK, he is an active source of intelligence. These are the indisputable facts.

Russia's explanation is that they are tourists who decided to spend two days in the country and ignore any of the traditional sights like London or Stonehenge, in favour of going to Salisbury Cathedral, and coincidentally decided to take a detour to a residential area with nothing for a tourist to see. At the same time as this coincidental visit by an ex-Russian special forces colonel, an enemy of Russia was poisoned.

The UK's explanation is that they were Russian agents sent to kill him.

If you had two equally credible explanations, or if one side had a history of being clearly more credible than the other, then I can understand equivocating. As it is, I think the Russian explanation is only one step above, "Yeah, we did it and we don't care if you know." It's a fig leaf.

Puja

You know what I'm gonna reverse my position. This Bellingcat stuff looks pretty thorough. Much better than the usual corporate media stuff... these guys are much more convincing, now that I dig into the details.

[Puja]

I'm not believing either of them. Just saying we are listening to a bunch of liars and supposed to believe what one of them says? Fuck that shit. It's probably some big play between two secret agencies. God only knows what the truth is. It's distracting from what really matters.

Surely Occam's Razor comes into play here.

We have two men with false names and consecutive passports, one who is confirmed ex-special forces and decorated by Putin. They are known to have come to the country for two days, gone straight to Salisbury and gone out of their way to go to the area where the Skripals live (which is purely residential and has nothing of any interest to a tourist). To Russia, Skripal is a traitor who is actively leaking secrets to the UK. To the UK, he is an active source of intelligence. These are the indisputable facts.

Russia's explanation is that they are tourists who decided to spend two days in the country and ignore any of the traditional sights like London or Stonehenge, in favour of going to Salisbury Cathedral, and coincidentally decided to take a detour to a residential area with nothing for a tourist to see. At the same time as this coincidental visit by an ex-Russian special forces colonel, an enemy of Russia was poisoned.

The UK's explanation is that they were Russian agents sent to kill him.

If you had two equally credible explanations, or if one side had a history of being clearly more credible than the other, then I can understand equivocating. As it is, I think the Russian explanation is only one step above, "Yeah, we did it and we don't care if you know." It's a fig leaf.

Puja

You know what I'm gonna reverse my position. This Bellingcat stuff looks pretty thorough. Much better than the usual corporate media stuff... these guys are much more convincing, now that I dig into the details.

...I think this may be a first for the internet - thought, research, and willingness to change one's mind. Fair play Zhivago.

Puja

[belgarion]

You know what I'm gonna reverse my position. This Bellingcat stuff looks pretty thorough. Much better than the usual corporate media stuff... these guys are much more convincing, now that I dig into the details.

...I think this may be a first for the internet - thought, research, and willingness to change one's mind. Fair play Zhivago.

Puja

Now just need rowan to do the same

[Puja]

...I think this may be a first for the internet - thought, research, and willingness to change one's mind. Fair play Zhivago.

Puja

Now just need rowan to do the same

Rowan might in his own time, but he shan't be posting on this board again.

Puja

ETA. To clarify, not for his opinions on the Politics boards, but for behaviour elsewhere.

[morepork]

BREAKING NEWS


"Minister for Information on RR offers veiled threat"

[Puja]

BREAKING NEWS


"Minister for Information on RR offers veiled threat"

ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!

Wait, is this one of the boards on which I have power? {Checks} No? In which case, I came solely to see the cathedral, nothing more.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

Now just need rowan to do the same

Rowan might in his own time, but he shan't be posting on this board again.

Puja

ETA. To clarify, not for his opinions on the Politics boards, but for behaviour elsewhere.

Have I missed all the fun again?

[morepork]

I am love your beautiful henges. I like very much hiking through residential market towns to make picture of nondescript houses. Very nice.

[Digby]

Now just need rowan to do the same

Rowan might in his own time, but he shan't be posting on this board again.

Puja

ETA. To clarify, not for his opinions on the Politics boards, but for behaviour elsewhere.

Have I missed all the fun again?

The final moments might have been fun, the earlier thousands of posts not so much. To whomever was reviewing his posts can now blessedly stand down from what I'd imagine was a turgid/annoying waste of time

[Donny osmond]

Now just need rowan to do the same

Rowan might in his own time, but he shan't be posting on this board again.

Puja

ETA. To clarify, not for his opinions on the Politics boards, but for behaviour elsewhere.

Have I missed all the fun again?

Has he really been booted then? I genuinely feel like that's a weight off. Might even start participating a bit more now.

Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk

[Mellsblue]

Rowan might in his own time, but he shan't be posting on this board again.

Puja

ETA. To clarify, not for his opinions on the Politics boards, but for behaviour elsewhere.

Have I missed all the fun again?

The final moments might have been fun, the earlier thousands of posts not so much. To whomever was reviewing his posts can now blessedly stand down from what I'd imagine was a turgid/annoying waste of time

What was the straw that broke the camel’s back?

[Digby]

Have I missed all the fun again?

The final moments might have been fun, the earlier thousands of posts not so much. To whomever was reviewing his posts can now blessedly stand down from what I'd imagine was a turgid/annoying waste of time

What was the straw that broke the camel’s back?

I hear he was writing letters, beautiful letters, that had Hammy falling in love with him

[Puja]

No great drama or final straw. He was informed that his continual and inane blogging wasn't welcome and we were deleting all the threads that were just him talking about the Spanish domestic league or the USA South tour of Hungary (real examples). He then reset them up and kept talking, got temp banned, we repeated the process a couple more times and then got rid of him permanently on the grounds of failing to follow mods' instructions.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

How the bloody hell am I supposed to find out the Timbuktu u14’s 4th XV results now?

[Donny osmond]

No great drama or final straw. He was informed that his continual and inane blogging wasn't welcome and we were deleting all the threads that were just him talking about the Spanish domestic league or the USA South tour of Hungary (real examples). He then reset them up and kept talking, got temp banned, we repeated the process a couple more times and then got rid of him permanently on the grounds of failing to follow mods' instructions.

Puja

oooooh it's just like how they got Al Capone

[Digby]

No great drama or final straw. He was informed that his continual and inane blogging wasn't welcome and we were deleting all the threads that were just him talking about the Spanish domestic league or the USA South tour of Hungary (real examples). He then reset them up and kept talking, got temp banned, we repeated the process a couple more times and then got rid of him permanently on the grounds of failing to follow mods' instructions.

Puja

Will there be consistency in this area, Mells for instance continually posts about Bedford, and I ask you, who could possibly be interested in that?