Racism in rugby

[Sandydragon]

I read somewhere that 6pm tonight is a deadline for some kind of action.

[Sandydragon]

On other note, apparently Haskell received a warning from the citing commissioner. Does anyone know what for?

[oldbackrow]

For wearing a red scrum cap and being a knob?

[gthedog]

What a load of bollocks, when did everybody become so thin skinned.

It's not about being thin skinned
If we can get through the fact that the gypsy community has been recognised as a race in some recent act in parliament then this is racial abuse
If then we see it that it is someone saying something to Itoje - eg black boy - then is that thin skinned?
And then you get to the point that Marler is representing his country and spouting out like that.
Then you may possibly see why it is not acceptable to speak in that manner

[MerryCherry]

What a load of bollocks, when did everybody become so thin skinned.

Must admit I heard a lot worse when I was playing or watching from the line, the scrum was a pretty intimidating place. It was just given back but it's a different fluffier world nowadays I guess.

[Mikeyv]

What a load of bollocks, when did everybody become so thin skinned.

If we can get through the fact that the gypsy community has been recognised as a race in some recent act in parliament then this is racial abuse

There's the first bit of bollocks.

[gthedog]

What a load of bollocks, when did everybody become so thin skinned.

If we can get through the fact that the gypsy community has been recognised as a race in some recent act in parliament then this is racial abuse

There's the first bit of bollocks.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

[Mikeyv]

If we can get through the fact that the gypsy community has been recognised as a race in some recent act in parliament then this is racial abuse

There's the first bit of bollocks.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

[gthedog]

There's the first bit of bollocks.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

There's a fine line between banter and racism
I agree things are more sensitive today but why should you as a welshie put up with racial abuse?
I have had plenty in my time. Some of it fun but a lot of it has a nastier element to it

[Eugene Wrayburn]

There's the first bit of bollocks.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

So in fact it's not that you think that "Gypsy" isn't a racial group, it's that you think no racial group is worthy of protection. That's not a question of people today being too sensitive so much as an improvement in race relations and the idiocy of the past being rejected.

[Mikeyv]

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

So in fact it's not that you think that "Gypsy" isn't a racial group, it's that you think no racial group is worthy of protection. That's not a question of people today being too sensitive so much as an improvement in race relations and the idiocy of the past being rejected.

Idiocy in your opinion, not mine.

[Mikeyv]

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

There's a fine line between banter and racism
I agree things are more sensitive today but why should you as a welshie put up with racial abuse?
I have had plenty in my time. Some of it fun but a lot of it has a nastier element to it

It was banter, but you're right, there's a judgement to be made in where it's said, and more importantly, how.

[gthedog]

I'm sure it was banter but then you choose your banter
If he'd mentioned pies or his lack of a neck then it would possibly have been more acceptable
Race/background is really a bad area of humour to be getting into

[Peat]

On other note, apparently Haskell received a warning from the citing commissioner. Does anyone know what for?

Neck roll at a ruck.

Really don't like how they've gone about neck rolls and shoulder charges into rucks. They're still more or less de facto legal, based on the incidence of sanction for them, but with the ever present threat of a card for the one time in fifty they call it. It's like being the one scrum-half called for feeding.

Surprised there was no card for it actually. Oh wait, no I'm not...

[Banquo]

I'm sure it was banter but then you choose your banter
If he'd mentioned pies or his lack of a neck then it would possibly have been more acceptable
Race/background is really a bad area of humour to be getting into

so which bit of saes c*nt is offensive?

[Sandydragon]

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

There's a fine line between banter and racism
I agree things are more sensitive today but why should you as a welshie put up with racial abuse?
I have had plenty in my time. Some of it fun but a lot of it has a nastier element to it

It was banter, but you're right, there's a judgement to be made in where it's said, and more importantly, how.

Its important that we don't lose banter; but for a comment to be banter, I think both parties have to find it funny. I exchange banter all the time with close friends of mine, and there is no way that I would use such comments to someone I hardly knew. Context is important and from what I heard on the ref mike (although I confess I didn't notice this during the game, perhaps the clip I heard had been edited??) it sounded like it was meant as an insult and not banter between 2 props who happen to be best mates (even then, I wouldn't recommend that comment on live TV).

[welshsaint]

Marler''s comment was not banter. He's now been cited for striking an opponent. Go on, get behind him. It was only a playful slap, worse things happened to me when I played for Shitshire 3rds.

[Numbers]

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

There's a fine line between banter and racism
I agree things are more sensitive today but why should you as a welshie put up with racial abuse?
I have had plenty in my time. Some of it fun but a lot of it has a nastier element to it

It was banter, but you're right, there's a judgement to be made in where it's said, and more importantly, how.

That is the crux of the whole thing, the inflection or use, in an apparently derogatory way, is the issue as much as what is said to an extent. Like many forms of verbal abuse the word "Gypsy" has been used in a derogatory way over the years, this is where the problem lies imo.

[Banquo]

Marler''s comment was not banter. He's now been cited for striking an opponent. Go on, get behind him. It was only a playful slap, worse things happened to me when I played for Shitshire 3rds.

yes, that's the same...but the bloke is a double tool for the comment and deserves all he gets for the punch.

[Len]

There's the first bit of bollocks.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

Basically you're saying if somebody racially abuses you and you get upset you're soft? Thats up there with people who have depression need to snap out of it. C'mon bro!

[Mikeyv]

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discr ... imination/

The law is an ass then

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

Basically you're saying if somebody racially abuses you and you get upset you're soft? Thats up there with people who have depression need to snap out of it. C'mon bro!

Depression is an illness, an awful one at that, different altogether.

And nothing to do with being hard or soft, just getting a sense of perspective and using a bit of common sense.

[gthedog]

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

Basically you're saying if somebody racially abuses you and you get upset you're soft? Thats up there with people who have depression need to snap out of it. C'mon bro!

Depression is an illness, an awful one at that, different altogether.

And nothing to do with being hard or soft, just getting a sense of perspective and using a bit of common sense.

Being a racist cnt is also an illness but I don't have any sympathy for it. No difference between a white racist or a black one. Or abusing someone from England or Scotland or Wales. Abuse is abuse and whilst you have the right to offend you have the right to be offended.
I don't necessarily agree with all those rights and I sometimes think people need to grow a pair but in today's world that is the way it goes. Steering massively clear of anything to do with creed or colour is a must

[MoW]

Can't believe people on here are defending this. Is this really what we want international rugby to be all about?

Banter is fair enough, it's give and take between equals. Marler's comment was definitely not intended in that spirit.


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[cashead]

We agree on that, at least.

I played league cricket in Yorkshire for 20 years, and copped plenty of racial abuse as a welshie.

Never bothered me in the slightest, and when I gave it back to them, neither were they.

We all had a good night after the game, with no ill feeling whatsoever.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I think we had it about right, whereas people today are too sensitive.

So in fact it's not that you think that "Gypsy" isn't a racial group, it's that you think no racial group is worthy of protection. That's not a question of people today being too sensitive so much as an improvement in race relations and the idiocy of the past being rejected.

Idiocy in your opinion, not mine.

So if someone walks up to Itoje or Joe Joseph and calls them a nigger, that would be just OK. Good to know.

[cashead]

Basically you're saying if somebody racially abuses you and you get upset you're soft? Thats up there with people who have depression need to snap out of it. C'mon bro!

Depression is an illness, an awful one at that, different altogether.

And nothing to do with being hard or soft, just getting a sense of perspective and using a bit of common sense.

Being a racist cnt is also an illness but I don't have any sympathy for it. No difference between a white racist or a black one. Or abusing someone from England or Scotland or Wales. Abuse is abuse and whilst you have the right to offend you have the right to be offended.
I don't necessarily agree with all those rights and I sometimes think people need to grow a pair but in today's world that is the way it goes. Steering massively clear of anything to do with creed or colour is a must

Have you ever had a racial epithet thrown in your direction? I have. Now ask me if I think I have the right to be offended about it.