Anti-Russian rhetoric

[Stones of granite]

It looks like Sergei Lavrov is going to have to go back to his Dept for Maskirovka, and get them to brush up on their fairy tales.

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/ ... g01_e_.pdf

The Labs were able to confirm the identity of the chemical by applying existing, well-established procedures. There was no other chemical that was identified by the Labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements, commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures. Otherwise it has nothing to do with the samples collected by the OPCW Team in Salisbury. This chemical was reported back to the OPCW by the two designated labs and the findings are duly reflected in the report.

[Digby]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

[kk67]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

[rowan]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

It was a strange comment, for sure. I thought Aung San Suu Kyi was the darling of the West

Anyway, we know the US won't invade Myanmar to bring democracy and freedom, because of the geopolitical implications in its struggle with China for domination of the region.

Meanwhile, the British are being inundated with Russophobic propaganda to smokescreen their increasing domestic problems.

[kk67]

There's part of me that wonders about Female leaders that are being manipulated by corporate psychopaths.
Maggie is now the industry standard. It seems almost inconceivable that a female Nobel prize nominee is actually involved in deliberate genocide.

....and yet that's how corporate psychopaths work.

[Sandydragon]

There's part of me that wonders about Female leaders that are being manipulated by corporate psychopaths.
Maggie is now the industry standard. It seems almost inconceivable that a female Nobel prize nominee is actually involved in deliberate genocide.

....and yet that's how corporate psychopaths work.

Is it? Her position now is very different to 1991 on the face of it, but I wonder how much freedom she actually has. It’s also perfectly possible that she isn’t that fussed by the fate of a few million Muslims. The army’s attitude towards that minority group is a reflection of wider society.

[Sandydragon]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

How are we encouraging these abuses? Could the west do more? Of course, but I don’t see encouragement for genocide.

[rowan]

Britain has poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into training the Myanmar military, and this has continued despite the atrocities. In fact, the entire EU maintains very close relations with the Myanmar leadership and military, and if I'm not mistaken long-standing sanctions against Myanmar were lifted earlier this year. The US apparently lifted its long-standing arms sales embargo on Myanmar last year, at the height of the slaughter. Meanwhile Israel has numerous arms deals with Myanmar and has supplied tanks, boats and other weapons. As for Aung San Suu Kyi, there is probably not a lot she can do, but the Noble Prize-winner & darling of the West has repeatedly denied ethnic cleansing is in progress and even tried to shift the blame to the victims.

[Digby]

It's rather pathetic that the current security council chair is looking to kick any decisions on the UN report into the future so they're not tagged for it, but that's British diplomacy for you

And there are issues around picking another subject to have a fight with Russia about, it's just this really isn't a time to try and sit on the fence

[Sandydragon]

Britain has poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into training the Myanmar military, and this has continued despite the atrocities. In fact, the entire EU maintains very close relations with the Myanmar leadership and military, and if I'm not mistaken long-standing sanctions against Myanmar were lifted earlier this year. The US apparently lifted its long-standing arms sales embargo on Myanmar last year, at the height of the slaughter. Meanwhile Israel has numerous arms deals with Myanmar and has supplied tanks, boats and other weapons. As for Aung San Suu Kyi, there is probably not a lot she can do, but the Noble Prize-winner & darling of the West has repeatedly denied ethnic cleansing is in progress and even tried to shift the blame to the victims.

We have spent a lot in Burma but military funding was cut last year.

No argument about Aung San Suu Kyi.

[Digby]

And yet both the USA and Europe sought some action on human rights abuse in Burma, but were stymied by Russia, and in fairness China, and in further fairness India like China seems keen to protect investment in the region over human life

We're not getting the leadership from the West on the vast levels of abuse in Myanmar, but it's still not the West blocking action

[Donny osmond]

So after getting 100,000 mix of regular troops and mercenaries up to speed in Syria and then literally parking 1000 tanks on Ukrainian soil, Russia is about to engage in the worlds biggest war game exercise in nearly 40 years.

Those Western allies must be rattling their sabres something fierce to provoke this peaceful nation to such actions.

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[rowan]

Possibly holding war games on all of Russia and China's borders and invading a nation directly allied to Moscow (and in which Russia has a long-standing naval base; one of only three military bases it maintains outside the borders of the former USSR) could be considered saber rattling. Amazing how your mind works. The West makes wars across the Middle East and surrounds Russia and China with military bases, practices war games all along their borders, and then seems amazed that Russia and China want to get together and practice war games of their own, as if this were somehow proof of an evil plot to take over the world

I wonder if they'll be staging those war games along the Mexican or Canadian borders

Meanwhile in the Ukraine, America's Neo Nazi allies are terrorizing defenseless gypsies https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... aines-roma

[Sandydragon]

Invading Ukraine wasn’t sabre rattling. It was an act of war.

Still different rules for the non West eh?

[rowan]

There's simply no comparison, if we are referring to NATO as the West. Since WWII NATO and its members have waged wars all over the world that have killed more than twenty million people - approx. eight million in the Middle East since the 1990s alone - and they are still at it today.

Reclaiming a Black Sea peninsula, on which you have an important military base (as well as the ethnic majority), after a US-orchestrated violent coup, broken agreements in relation to that territory, and a local referendum overwhelmingly in favor of return, isn't remotely in the same league.

[rowan]

"Local referendum." Pull the other one.

96.77% in favor with an 83.1% turnout. Peaceful transition followed.

Not surprising either, as America's Neo Nazi allies were burning ethnic Russians alive in Odessa and Mariupol at the time. https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/b ... ers-alive/

[AL.]

Quick question for anyone, is there a Russian news site that actually covers Russian news?

All the well known ones just talk about other peoples problems or their military achievements, is there a site that has some ACTUAL Russian news?

[Zhivago]

Quick question for anyone, is there a Russian news site that actually covers Russian news?

All the well known ones just talk about other peoples problems or their military achievements, is there a site that has some ACTUAL Russian news?

Pravda?

[WaspInWales]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.

[Sandydragon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.

Where does it say that he tried to gain access? Hanging around outside isn’t necessarily an offence and it’s prpbbaly public land. Security personnel will be warned not to give a propaganda scoop to the Russian media by challenging them on public land.

[WaspInWales]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.

Where does it say that he tried to gain access? Hanging around outside isn’t necessarily an offence and it’s prpbbaly public land. Security personnel will be warned not to give a propaganda scoop to the Russian media by challenging them on public land.

The Beeb article lnks to the Daily Mail site which includes some more info including this:

[Sandydragon]

Thanks for that. So the Russians tried to gain access and were refused. They then filmed a story from outside.

The attachment is very routine and it’s clearlu trying to make sure that military personnel aren’t caught on camera by this lot. All very reasonable, not sure I see the problem.

[WaspInWales]

Thanks for that. So the Russians tried to gain access and were refused. They then filmed a story from outside.

The attachment is very routine and it’s clearlu trying to make sure that military personnel aren’t caught on camera by this lot. All very reasonable, not sure I see the problem.

Why the need to warn the public with calls of espionage and the need to report anything suspicious?

It's clear Russia wanted this to make the headlines and they got what they wanted. The reporter has since denied trying to gain access:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46420486

Again, more headlines for them.

It seems to me that we have perhaps overreacted to Russian 'fake news' wummery.

We've given them what they wanted, at the same time as potentially increasing public apprehension.

[Sandydragon]

The document is Official Sensitive, it wasn’t supposed to be released. This was internal only and someclown sent it to the media.

The press will do what it will do there after, and the government has had to respond.

For th record, we used to see a fair number of these every month. Usually warning of some nutter with a military fixation. Th y shouldn’t be released to the press, someone has been a bit naughty.

[WaspInWales]

It wouldn't surprise me if the leak was authorised from high up.

It seems we have daily news of Russia as the enemy, or cause of most bad things happening in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that Russia are innocent in any way, but it kinda feels like the public are being conditioned at the moment.

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