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Sandydragon wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Digby wrote:
I wondered if that's why she's been coming out with stuff like the limits to directors pay (obviously without sufficient details on how you'd actually do it) as they'll never get an easier run than Vs Corbyn, at least I hope Labour don't get still worse. If the Conservatives occupy the centre it's a hell of a longshot for whoever gets the Labour job, providing May can control the nutters in her own party, and she might be able to by keeping them busy over Europe negotiations.

May needs to keep any Remainians well away from the exit negotiations and leave those to Brexiteers. Meanwhile if she's got any sense she'll be carrying on the Osborne/Cameron project of making the Labour party an irrelevance by moving to the centre ground and leaving them only the most extreme positions from which to criticise.

Highly likely.

It wouldn't surprise me if Gove were told to sort out Europe negotiations.

Nor me. Despite his reputation he knows when to climb down. Having had Grayling then Gove as Lord Chancellor, it's obvious that Gove has a brain and a resistance to picking REALLY stupid fights, even if he'll pick stupid fights.

Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

On the other hand it's far likely to go horribly wrong (ok, likely to go far less horribly wrong) if they're no-where near the thing.

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

This has become a much more serious problem in the last 20 years. It's really just a game for some of these people. They can swiftly move into other, better paid jobs. They are political and commercial Teflon precisely because they are just greasers.

kk67 wrote:

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

This has become a much more serious problem in the last 20 years. It's really just a game for some of these people. They can swiftly move into other, better paid jobs. They are political and commercial Teflon precisely because they are just greasers.

It's the same as these career Blairites trying to ensure they get voted in rather than actually try and achieve anything approaching change in society.

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

May's 1st cabinet is going to be fascinating. Some rather unpleasant people are going to have to be rewarded.
It's at times like this when politics is so blydi predictable but could be so progressive. In terms of public interest, the best thing she could do would be to appoint Andy Burnham to Health and to pubicly force Jeremy Hunt to go through puberty.
It's not complicated, is it..?. A bit of cross-party unity, recognition of merit and athletic-support for the less advantaged.

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Johnson could have carried on, it was up to him. Leadsome had a choice today. Gove was never going to get the vote after he had shafted Johnson. But when push has cone to shove they have all sulked off into the undergrowth one way or another.

canta_brian wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Johnson could have carried on, it was up to him. Leadsome had a choice today. Gove was never going to get the vote after he had shafted Johnson. But when push has cone to shove they have all sulked off into the undergrowth one way or another.

Can't imagine what else Boris can actually do..?. He doesn't have the focus for anything other than leading.
I think he's in the back pocket in case we ever need another Churchill.

'Gawd 'elp us, guvnor'....'EEEeeeeiii!!!. Tommy est ind de bunker !!!!'.....'It's all over for you, Fritz'.

canta_brian wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:Seems to me most of the leave campaigners are now trying to get as far away from the decision as they can. I think bojo, gove and leadsome should all be made to be involved. I don't want them to be able to walk in at the end if it has all gone wrong and say "well, if you'd have just listened to me...".

How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Johnson could have carried on, it was up to him. Leadsome had a choice today. Gove was never going to get the vote after he had shafted Johnson. But when push has cone to shove they have all sulked off into the undergrowth one way or another.

Johnson could've carried on I suppose if only to save Fox the embarrassment of coming last in the first round of voting. Once Gove declared Johnson stood no chance. Leadsom went because of her ill advised (biting my tongue somewhat) words about being a mother and the fact it was so obvious the parliamentary party were so squarely behind May. She only has to look across the chamber to see what happens when the leader of a party as voted by the members isn't respected by their fellow party MP's. I know an MP who played a major role in May's campaign, short lived as it was, and Leadsom would've been almost as devisive for the Conservatives as Corbyn is for Labour.

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Johnson could have carried on, it was up to him. Leadsome had a choice today. Gove was never going to get the vote after he had shafted Johnson. But when push has cone to shove they have all sulked off into the undergrowth one way or another.

Johnson could've carried on I suppose if only to save Fox the embarrassment of coming last in the first round of voting. Once Gove declared Johnson stood no chance. Leadsom went because of her ill advised (biting my tongue somewhat) words about being a mother and the fact it was so obvious the parliamentary party were so squarely behind May. She only has to look across the chamber to see what happens when the leader of a party as voted by the members isn't respected by their fellow party MP's. I know an MP who played a major role in May's campaign, short lived as it was, and Leadsom would've been almost as devisive for the Conservatives as Corbyn is for Labour.

A BVI offshore heiress and company insider..?. Another stooge for the square mile..?. As divisive as Corbyn...?.
Don't confuse the right wing drive for profit with the left wing desire for probity. The struggle for probity will always be harder....not least because the ones looking for probity are frequently classified as scum by the predominantly right wing press.

Conflict of interest?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33231.html

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Conflict of interest?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33231.html

It's par for the fucking course, unfortunately. The world over. The "pull your socks up" response to inequality takes another blow to the solar plexus.

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Conflict of interest?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33231.html

No more than anyone who has a pension.

Mellsblue wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: How did you come to that conclusion? Both Gove and Leadsom entered the leadership race, and Johnson would've done if he hadn't been shafted by Gove.

Johnson could have carried on, it was up to him. Leadsome had a choice today. Gove was never going to get the vote after he had shafted Johnson. But when push has cone to shove they have all sulked off into the undergrowth one way or another.

Johnson could've carried on I suppose if only to save Fox the embarrassment of coming last in the first round of voting. Once Gove declared Johnson stood no chance. Leadsom went because of her ill advised (biting my tongue somewhat) words about being a mother and the fact it was so obvious the parliamentary party were so squarely behind May. She only has to look across the chamber to see what happens when the leader of a party as voted by the members isn't respected by their fellow party MP's. I know an MP who played a major role in May's campaign, short lived as it was, and Leadsom would've been almost as devisive for the Conservatives as Corbyn is for Labour.

Quite a few conservatives were worried at the potential influence UKIP would try to wield as well. Whilst new members couldn't vote, UKIP were happy to throw cash at leadsoms campaign.

If may is smart, enough brexit Tories will be in the cabinet to appease the right of the party and they will be satisfied with having won, to a degree. There are some who won't be happy with whatever Theresa gets from Europe, which is why a key leaver should be in charge of that discussion. Making boris minister for brexit would be karma, but I think we need more substance.

Strong speech by May. I don't for a second believe any of it, but the centrist rhetoric was absolutely the right political choice if taken from the conservative perspective.

Zhivago wrote:Strong speech by May. I don't for a second believe any of it, but the centrist rhetoric was absolutely the right political choice if taken from the conservative perspective.

I can't believe that bloody Kuenssberg seems to be reading something into the centrist nature of the speech without actually noticing or commenting that Thatcher did exactly the same. She really is the worst political editor of the BBC in my lifetime.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Strong speech by May. I don't for a second believe any of it, but the centrist rhetoric was absolutely the right political choice if taken from the conservative perspective.

I can't believe that bloody Kuenssberg seems to be reading something into the centrist nature of the speech without actually noticing or commenting that Thatcher did exactly the same. She really is the worst political editor of the BBC in my lifetime.

Where there is competence may we w bring...

Barely notice her tbh, then again I barely noticed Nick Robinson other than when he lost it over not getting the top story on a given day, Marr I did notice and I'm not a fan of (at either the Beeb or the Indy). I had to look up who it was before that, Robin Oakley, and that draws no particular impression either.

I see Johnson is now foreign secretary. Ww3 anyone?

canta_brian wrote:I see Johnson is now foreign secretary. Ww3 anyone?

WW3 is unlikely but I bet Prince Philip is happy that someone else's ill conceived comments towards foreigners gets him off the hook in the future.

Bojo as a nickname always makes me giggle, because it reminds me of Hoju. That plus he's on his way to being a kwyjibo.

BoJo...He's also responsible for MI6, apparently looking forward to meeting M, Q, and 007.

canta_brian wrote:I see Johnson is now foreign secretary. Ww3 anyone?

Only if he could get a photo-op out of it!!

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Strong speech by May. I don't for a second believe any of it, but the centrist rhetoric was absolutely the right political choice if taken from the conservative perspective.

I can't believe that bloody Kuenssberg seems to be reading something into the centrist nature of the speech without actually noticing or commenting that Thatcher did exactly the same. She really is the worst political editor of the BBC in my lifetime.

Bad and annoying. Same thing I suppose.

Bit of a clear out of the Cabinet. Bet that's the last time Gove listens to his missus!