Only 2 10s
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Only 2 10s
According to the Fail, Gatland May only be taking two Fly Halves, surely Biggar and Anscombe, to the RWC.
Seems like a risky move, but Gatland has form in this area (Lions 2013).
Seems like a risky move, but Gatland has form in this area (Lions 2013).
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To be fair Patchell's form has been flaky and it's a bit too soon for Jarrod Evans imo, Biggar doesn't get injured much so I wouldn't be too bothered with just the two.Sandydragon wrote:According to the Fail, Gatland May only be taking two Fly Halves, surely Biggar and Anscombe, to the RWC.
Seems like a risky move, but Gatland has form in this area (Lions 2013).
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Re: Only 2 10s
What’s the flight time between Wales and Japan?
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Re: Only 2 10s
Replacements are permanent and cannot play within 48 hours of the decision being made by the team management and World Rugby being notified.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
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Would the players on standby attempt to follow the sleeping patterns of the ones in Japan to avoid jetlag? It would seem sensible but I genuinely have no idea.Sandydragon wrote:Replacements are permanent and cannot play within 48 hours of the decision being made by the team management and World Rugby being notified.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
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Wasn't Simon Shaw was knocking about in Australia as injury cover back in 2003?Numbers wrote:Would the players on standby attempt to follow the sleeping patterns of the ones in Japan to avoid jetlag? It would seem sensible but I genuinely have no idea.Sandydragon wrote:Replacements are permanent and cannot play within 48 hours of the decision being made by the team management and World Rugby being notified.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
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No, he was flown out once Grewcock picked up an injury I think.cashead wrote:Wasn't Simon Shaw was knocking about in Australia as injury cover back in 2003?Numbers wrote:Would the players on standby attempt to follow the sleeping patterns of the ones in Japan to avoid jetlag? It would seem sensible but I genuinely have no idea.Sandydragon wrote:Replacements are permanent and cannot play within 48 hours of the decision being made by the team management and World Rugby being notified.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
Better was the treatment of Healey who was flown out to cover possible injuries to Bracken and Dawson and never even joined up with the squad but was sequestered in a nearby hotel and then flown back out again after both 9s confirmed their availability to continue. Both Bracken and Dawson have suggested they reported injured on purpose partly to simply force Austin into long distance flight there and back, though Bracken certainly did have a dodgy back, and they might have done it to escape the training Woodward was subjecting them to.
But you could have staged people on holiday in NZ if the player(s) were up for it, not all would, to make any callup easier. Where you'd stage people for Japan I don't know, South Korea is perhaps the easiest, but it's not everyone's ideal location.
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Re: Only 2 10s
I suggest it might not be a huge surprise if Rhys Patchell seemly gets the urge to explore Hong Kong.
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I'm sure there are rules about not being allowed to have standbys in the country (cause otherwise the rich nations would blatantly fly out their spares as a matter of course), but I've got no idea how wideranging they are, or what's to stop Wales sending a spare fly-half on holiday to Singapore.Numbers wrote:Would the players on standby attempt to follow the sleeping patterns of the ones in Japan to avoid jetlag? It would seem sensible but I genuinely have no idea.Sandydragon wrote:Replacements are permanent and cannot play within 48 hours of the decision being made by the team management and World Rugby being notified.
So time for a replacement to be notified and get to Japan. But then of course they need to acclimatise, shake off jet lag and get into the team mentality etc.
Worst case scenario is that one of the fly halves picks up a slight injury and where they might normally be rested for a game, at best they will be on the bench.
I expect for the Uruguay game we won’t bother with that and replace who ever starts at 10 with a random player once we pull away. For all the other games it will be a huge risk not to have a good fly half option on the bench.
Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
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I also recall that Dai Young got a call up for Wales who were touring Australia where he just happened to be holidaying. I suppose some of the opposition might complain but you can’t stop players from taking holidays.
Or from packing their boots.
Or from packing their boots.
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Better yet, who are World Rugby to tell players where they can or can not holiday, if they have time off?Numbers wrote:Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
Let's say Anscombe or whomever picks up an injury, and I dunno, James Hook happens to be seeing the temples in Kyoto and Nara. On what grounds can they say "uh, can't do that."
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Re: Only 2 10s
Who shifts to 10 in the scenario both match-day 10s go down? Parkes? Tipuric? Ken Owens?
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I believe you need to nominate a standby list, from which replacements must be drawn and those nominated players are not allowed to be in the host country or else they're not eligible to be used as injury subs. However, I don't know how far that stretches in terms of neighbouring countries. Plus, I'm not 100% certain about this, so there is the ever-present possibility that I'm talking nonsense.cashead wrote:Better yet, who are World Rugby to tell players where they can or can not holiday, if they have time off?Numbers wrote:Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
Let's say Anscombe or whomever picks up an injury, and I dunno, James Hook happens to be seeing the temples in Kyoto and Nara. On what grounds can they say "uh, can't do that."
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Is that still the case? I thought the 48 hour rule was meant to prevent abuse, after all people can generally take a holiday where they like.Puja wrote:I believe you need to nominate a standby list, from which replacements must be drawn and those nominated players are not allowed to be in the host country or else they're not eligible to be used as injury subs. However, I don't know how far that stretches in terms of neighbouring countries. Plus, I'm not 100% certain about this, so there is the ever-present possibility that I'm talking nonsense.cashead wrote:Better yet, who are World Rugby to tell players where they can or can not holiday, if they have time off?Numbers wrote:Are the players on standby allowed to be in Japan?
Let's say Anscombe or whomever picks up an injury, and I dunno, James Hook happens to be seeing the temples in Kyoto and Nara. On what grounds can they say "uh, can't do that."
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I always reserve the right to be wrong. However, I'm not sure how there can't be a rule - otherwise surely the RFU would be paying for all their standby to go "on holiday". Or the standby list all go on holiday themselves to try and get a leg up over the others on the list.Sandydragon wrote:Is that still the case? I thought the 48 hour rule was meant to prevent abuse, after all people can generally take a holiday where they like.Puja wrote:I believe you need to nominate a standby list, from which replacements must be drawn and those nominated players are not allowed to be in the host country or else they're not eligible to be used as injury subs. However, I don't know how far that stretches in terms of neighbouring countries. Plus, I'm not 100% certain about this, so there is the ever-present possibility that I'm talking nonsense.cashead wrote: Better yet, who are World Rugby to tell players where they can or can not holiday, if they have time off?
Let's say Anscombe or whomever picks up an injury, and I dunno, James Hook happens to be seeing the temples in Kyoto and Nara. On what grounds can they say "uh, can't do that."
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It could just be that there's a gentleman's agreement not to take the piss, but surely that would've been blown through by someone like Eddie by now.
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I'm really not sure you'd want to be picking people placed in confinement camps somewhere near a RWC squad. They could well end up utterly miserable, so much so you're better off flying in people who've been on the lash like Catt or Donald
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Parkes most likely, they were also a few mutterings about Halfpenny, tho Ken can do anything so I wouldn't rule him outMikey Brown wrote:Who shifts to 10 in the scenario both match-day 10s go down? Parkes? Tipuric? Ken Owens?
