RugbyRebels

So the runners and riders so far,

Stephen Crabb - Remain - could be an surprise outside bet
Liam Fox - Leave - no chance possibly angling for cabinet spot
Theresa May - Remain-ish - big beast one of the front runners
Boris Johnson - Leave - big beast one of the front runners
Michael Gove - Leave - big beast but don't see it
Andrea Leadsom - Leave - don't see it possibly angling for bigger cabinet role

Now for me Gove is a surprise runner, thought he was likely to be backing up Boris. Maybe it's his eminently punchable face but I see him in the background pulling the strings, think his Mrs has talked him into it. Don't see the electorate warming to him, and if Milliband taught us anything it was that if you look weird you're not going to win.

I think Gove is trying to make sure Boris doesn't get it tbh. Leadsom, ye gods!

There's a decent chance that most parties will have a female leader quite soon, bar Farron and fckin Farage.

Banquo wrote:I think Gove is trying to make sure Boris doesn't get it tbh. Leadsom, ye gods!

There's a decent chance that most parties will have a female leader quite soon, bar Farron and fckin Farage.

Changed by deed poll I understand.

Out of that shower of shite, surely only May has any chance. God help us.

Actually I don't think Boris has officially entered the race yet.

Stones of granite wrote:Out of that shower of shite, surely only May has any chance. God help us.

You'd hope, she is the only one close to being sane and belonging to the human race. Folks will get nostalgic over Dave soon

Banquo wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:Out of that shower of shite, surely only May has any chance. God help us.

You'd hope, she is the only one close to being sane and belonging to the human race. Folks will get nostalgic over Dave soon

She's a bit sour faced for my liking. Think Maggie but without the personality!

If Boris can get passed the MP's and onto the ballot, he takes it in my view, which I wouldn't be too overly against as long as he has a good team behind him.

If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

Why out of interest? Is it just his face? I see him as the real "leader" whoever wins, pulling the strings etc. which is why I thought he'd stick with Boris who would be a popular front to the party with Gove reigning him in in the background.

bruce wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

Why out of interest? Is it just his face? I see him as the real "leader" whoever wins, pulling the strings etc. which is why I thought he'd stick with Boris who would be a popular front to the party with Gove reigning him in in the background.

He's a crazed intellectual ideologue with a puncheable face. I can't see him connecting with anyone.

Banquo wrote:

bruce wrote:

Banquo wrote: Gove would be a disaster

Why out of interest? Is it just his face? I see him as the real "leader" whoever wins, pulling the strings etc. which is why I thought he'd stick with Boris who would be a popular front to the party with Gove reigning him in in the background.

He's a crazed intellectual ideologue with a puncheable face. I can't see him connecting with anyone.

Nothing really there I can argue with.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

The Tories should just skip the middle man and elect his wife.

Stones of granite wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

The Tories should just skip the middle man and elect his wife.

true, she seems even more barking

I can't say I'd want any of them. However the opinion polls, trust them at you peril, would suggest Gove is much more popular with the Tory members than Boris. And in practical terms it seems very likely Boris will get onto the ballot, so his main aim right now is to likely to stop Gove being the alternative.

Digby wrote:I can't say I'd want any of them. However the opinion polls, trust them at you peril, would suggest Gove is much more popular with the Tory members than Boris. And in practical terms it seems very likely Boris will get onto the ballot, so his main aim right now is to likely to stop Gove being the alternative.

and vice versa. And Gove being popular with Tory members (what kind of people are they??) bears no relation to electability.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:I can't say I'd want any of them. However the opinion polls, trust them at you peril, would suggest Gove is much more popular with the Tory members than Boris. And in practical terms it seems very likely Boris will get onto the ballot, so his main aim right now is to likely to stop Gove being the alternative.

and vice versa. And Gove being popular with Tory members (what kind of people are they??) bears no relation to electability.

We could well have the two major political parties putting forward a candidate in the next general election that their party members like whilst everyone else thinks they're nuts, perhaps we shouldn't mock the US over Trump so much. And the main alternative to say a Corbyn/Gove shootout is that bloke no one in the Lib Dems can remember the name of, although it might be UKIP goes past the Lid Dems on the national front

I look likely to be voting Lib Dem if they do go with a policy of wanting to remain or resecure entry into Europe at this point, but I wouldn't object to someone putting up a credible candidate.

bruce wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:If he can get onto the ballot then Gove is the most popular with the party members, or he has been for a while now as for some reason many of them don't take so much to Boris, and if they think they're up against Corbyn they're under no pressure to worry about who the wider public might prefer to vote for.

Gove would be a disaster

Why out of interest? Is it just his face? I see him as the real "leader" whoever wins, pulling the strings etc. which is why I thought he'd stick with Boris who would be a popular front to the party with Gove reigning him in in the background.

Most ideological IMO. Co-wrote a book on how to dismantle the NHS, look what he has done in education etc..

The most worrisome on that list.

jared_7 wrote:

bruce wrote:

Banquo wrote: Gove would be a disaster

Why out of interest? Is it just his face? I see him as the real "leader" whoever wins, pulling the strings etc. which is why I thought he'd stick with Boris who would be a popular front to the party with Gove reigning him in in the background.

Most ideological IMO. Co-wrote a book on how to dismantle the NHS, look what he has done in education etc..

The most worrisome on that list.

Agreed. With Boris a close second for exactly the opposite reason. He has no ideology other than self-interest, and will be a lobbyist's dream ticket.

Boris not standing. F*cked over by Gove.

bruce wrote:Boris not standing. F*cked over by Gove.

I'm inclined to think it's the other way around. Who the fuck wants to captain this dumpster fire?

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

bruce wrote:Boris not standing. F*cked over by Gove.

I'm inclined to think it's the other way around. Who the fuck wants to captain this dumpster fire?

Gove may feel that his job is done now, and pull out of the contest himself. Can't see anyone other than May taking this now.

Calculated move by Johnson, the next PM is going to cope with a couple of years of recession, increasing pressure from Scotland and even NI to pull away, as well as the EU negotiations where the UK will win very little wiggle room on things like immigration.

And it sums him up to a tee, campaign and get us into the mess, take a step back while the sh*t hits the fan, and then you just know in a couple of years he'll be back saying how much better he would have handled it.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:I can't say I'd want any of them. However the opinion polls, trust them at you peril, would suggest Gove is much more popular with the Tory members than Boris. And in practical terms it seems very likely Boris will get onto the ballot, so his main aim right now is to likely to stop Gove being the alternative.

and vice versa. And Gove being popular with Tory members (what kind of people are they??) bears no relation to electability.

Well that's one way for Boris not to worry about Gove being on the ballot next to him. Straight fight between May and Gove it would seem, with May having a similar problem that Gove is perhaps more popular in the party, and where I've been using the line 'more popular' that relates to Conservative party members answering the question as to which person they would be most likely to elect leader.

jared_7 wrote:Calculated move by Johnson, the next PM is going to cope with a couple of years of recession, increasing pressure from Scotland and even NI to pull away, as well as the EU negotiations where the UK will win very little wiggle room on things like immigration.

And it sums him up to a tee, campaign and get us into the mess, take a step back while the sh*t hits the fan, and then you just know in a couple of years he'll be back saying how much better he would have handled it.

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