The Thin Blue Line

[Which Tyler]

Surely deserves a thread of its own now, especially if allowed to evolve into a discussion on all things police.

Another copper in "Mr Rapey" Couzens' unit has been charged with rape
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... tfordshire


How long until Boris U-Turns on not having a public enquiry? It's the least that needs to happen to start rebuilding trust.
Given that the unit in question is "parliamentary and diplomatic protection" - you'd have to wonder if they've got mates in high places - hence no enquiry to start with.

Would it be an over-reaction to suspend (on full pay) anyone who served in the same unit at the same time as those 2, pending an investigation? If rumours of their behaviour, and Couzens' nickname are true, but they weren't being reported, than surely any colleagues would be guilty of enabling their behaviour - at the least.

[Digby]

When I heard Javid fail to commit to a public enquiry I just laughed, because it doesn't seem avoidable so why look an arse trying to defend the indefensible, just say you support it (and you can always bodge the terms at a later point, and Boris has form for saying thanks for that but I don't believe a word of it)

I have heard from some persons in the police the nickname Mr Rape is something of a media creation, and probably social media at that. But that's not from rank and file who'd be more likely to actually know if it was a thing, was a one-time throwaway remark, or there was never any truth to it

[Which Tyler]

Talking of "Don't Trust a Copper" - current evidence locallly to me suggests that Vimes had the right of it - trust 'em with the big stuff, but not anything small that hasn't been nailed down (joking btw)
They've been parked up more-or-less outside my house for the last 3 days straight, cordoning off my driveway; where the press have parked up.
I've been bringing them a pot of tea and plate of biscuits 3-4 times a day as they get reasonable coffee and gods-awful tea.

This morning 1 of my mugs, and the milk jug have all gone AWOL!
A] Poor little me, and B] I'm sure it'll turn up

ETA: This other example really takes the biscuit!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58842137

[Sandydragon]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

The literal point of the maxim "one bad apple" is that it spoils the whole barrel. If you can't largely trust police to at least be doing their best there's not much point in having them.

The police have a number of bad people who just enjoy being shits or are in it for what they can get.

The police have a number of bad police officers who don't have the first clue how to do their job.

The police have a number of officers who do have a clue but are more interested in their personal advancement than doing the work.

The police have a numberof officers who do have a clue but are more interested in preserving the institution than doing the work.

Unfortunately within police and those who politically oversee them there's fuck all incentive or inclination to do anything about these people.

I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant officers, and many decent and competent ones, but at a rough guess I'd say they aren't the majority.

[Sandydragon]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

The literal point of the maxim "one bad apple" is that it spoils the whole barrel. If you can't largely trust police to at least be doing their best there's not much point in having them.

The police have a number of bad people who just enjoy being shits or are in it for what they can get.

The police have a number of bad police officers who don't have the first clue how to do their job.

The police have a number of officers who do have a clue but are more interested in their personal advancement than doing the work.

The police have a numberof officers who do have a clue but are more interested in preserving the institution than doing the work.

Unfortunately within police and those who politically oversee them there's fuck all incentive or inclination to do anything about these people.

I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant officers, and many decent and competent ones, but at a rough guess I'd say they aren't the majority.

You should hear what police officers think of lawyers.
No point having lawyers as a few dodgy apples rot the whole barrel. Or doctors. Or nurses. The police are no different to any other big organisation but unlike many they have been through decades of self analysis and improvement (allegedly). Judging the whole system by the actions of a very small number of officers is moronic.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

The literal point of the maxim "one bad apple" is that it spoils the whole barrel. If you can't largely trust police to at least be doing their best there's not much point in having them.

The police have a number of bad people who just enjoy being shits or are in it for what they can get.

The police have a number of bad police officers who don't have the first clue how to do their job.

The police have a number of officers who do have a clue but are more interested in their personal advancement than doing the work.

The police have a numberof officers who do have a clue but are more interested in preserving the institution than doing the work.

Unfortunately within police and those who politically oversee them there's fuck all incentive or inclination to do anything about these people.

I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant officers, and many decent and competent ones, but at a rough guess I'd say they aren't the majority.

You should hear what police officers think of lawyers.
No point having lawyers as a few dodgy apples rot the whole barrel. Or doctors. Or nurses. The police are no different to any other big organisation but unlike many they have been through decades of self analysis and improvement (allegedly). Judging the whole system by the actions of a very small number of officers is moronic.

And therein lies the problem. The failure to understand that policing requires trust in a way completely different from most other areas. If you get a doctor/nurse/lawyer who you don't trust you get a new one. What do you do when it's a police officer? The only thing I can think of as comparable is a judge.

(As an aside it's a pet peeve that the modern truncation of various sayings removes the entire point of of the lesson. Just one bad apple is one. Another is "the proof is in the pudding" rather than "the proof of the pudding is in the eating")

[Puja]

The literal point of the maxim "one bad apple" is that it spoils the whole barrel. If you can't largely trust police to at least be doing their best there's not much point in having them.

The police have a number of bad people who just enjoy being shits or are in it for what they can get.

The police have a number of bad police officers who don't have the first clue how to do their job.

The police have a number of officers who do have a clue but are more interested in their personal advancement than doing the work.

The police have a numberof officers who do have a clue but are more interested in preserving the institution than doing the work.

Unfortunately within police and those who politically oversee them there's fuck all incentive or inclination to do anything about these people.

I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant officers, and many decent and competent ones, but at a rough guess I'd say they aren't the majority.

You should hear what police officers think of lawyers.
No point having lawyers as a few dodgy apples rot the whole barrel. Or doctors. Or nurses. The police are no different to any other big organisation but unlike many they have been through decades of self analysis and improvement (allegedly). Judging the whole system by the actions of a very small number of officers is moronic.

And therein lies the problem. The failure to understand that policing requires trust in a way completely different from most other areas. If you get a doctor/nurse/lawyer who you don't trust you get a new one. What do you do when it's a police officer? The only thing I can think of as comparable is a judge.

(As an aside it's a pet peeve that the modern truncation of various sayings removes the entire point of of the lesson. Just one bad apple is one. Another is "the proof is in the pudding" rather than "the proof of the pudding is in the eating")

I believe the current official advice is to flag down a bus.

The problem with the police force isn't "a very small number of bad officers" just in isolation anyway. There's no binary where the rapists and bigots who make the headlines are completely disconnected from the rest of the officers, who are shocked to find that there was a secret bad guy working alongside them. There are thousands who know that they're working with someone crooked or rapey or racist or bigoted who abuses their power, but it's just Dave and he's a good cop and a good guy who we go for drinks with and you don't snitch on your teammates. And there are thousands upon thousands who, might not know for certain that the guy's crooked, but know he's got a shitty attitude and probably shouldn't have the power to unilaterally decide whether someone gets arrested or not, but he's got lots of friends and it's easier not to rock the boat.

As an example, these are just the people who felt it was worth their time filing a report; I'd imagine the actual number is an order of magnitude larger at least: https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than ... ub-culture

Puja

[morepork]

If you think it's "one bad apple" then you should see the way the po-po union over here closes ranks every time a cop shoots someone multiple times on a hunch. They do this because they know they can hide behind qualified immunity every time, and that is a whole rotten barrel. It's an organised body, not a random assemblage of individuals. That is quite simply an abuse of privilege as is the disgusting deification of that Rittenhouse puppet. Fuck all of them.

[Sandydragon]

If you think it's "one bad apple" then you should see the way the po-po union over here closes ranks every time a cop shoots someone multiple times on a hunch. They do this because they know they can hide behind qualified immunity every time, and that is a whole rotten barrel. It's an organised body, not a random assemblage of individuals. That is quite simply an abuse of privilege as is the disgusting deification of that Rittenhouse puppet. Fuck all of them.

There is a different approach to policing in the UK compared to the US. The vast majority here do their best despite the poor funding that is an acceptance excuse for any other public sector worker.

[Sandydragon]

If you think it's "one bad apple" then you should see the way the po-po union over here closes ranks every time a cop shoots someone multiple times on a hunch. They do this because they know they can hide behind qualified immunity every time, and that is a whole rotten barrel. It's an organised body, not a random assemblage of individuals. That is quite simply an abuse of privilege as is the disgusting deification of that Rittenhouse puppet. Fuck all of them.

There is a different approach to policing in the UK compared to the US. The vast majority here do their best despite the poor funding that is an acceptance excuse for any other public sector worker.

Is that your excuse for their disproportionate use of force against black people in the UK as well?

Got any context for those stats? Are black people in London more likely to be involved in violent crime due to their social conditions which is more likely to result in use of force on arrest? Because of course the police operate in a vacuum and there are no other factors to consider when looking at one statistic.


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[Sandydragon]

Any thoughts on the knife crime wave where the victims are overwhelmingly black and the reasons for that. Would that perhaps have an impact on those stats you provided?

Or you could just consider the paramilitary response of US policemen to virtually any event and compare it to the British polices mostly unarmed approach.


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[morepork]

I cant believe you are actually challenging the observation that black/brown peeps get fisted by the long arm of the law disproportionately more than white peeps.

[morepork]

If you think it's "one bad apple" then you should see the way the po-po union over here closes ranks every time a cop shoots someone multiple times on a hunch. They do this because they know they can hide behind qualified immunity every time, and that is a whole rotten barrel. It's an organised body, not a random assemblage of individuals. That is quite simply an abuse of privilege as is the disgusting deification of that Rittenhouse puppet. Fuck all of them.

There is a different approach to policing in the UK compared to the US. The vast majority here do their best despite the poor funding that is an acceptance excuse for any other public sector worker.

Is that your excuse for their disproportionate use of force against black people in the UK as well?

Black parents have very different conversations with their kids about the snigleys than do white parents. This is how it is. Maybe the UK po-po need some tanks?

[Sandydragon]

I cant believe you are actually challenging the observation that black/brown peeps get fisted by the long arm of the law disproportionately more than white peeps.

I’m arguing that there is a context behind the figures which is reflective of wider issues for certain racial groups which will affect how they are likely to encounter the police. Picking a statistic like that and just using it as evidence of police racism is lazy.

[Sandydragon]

So you believe there's a perfectly acceptable reason why black people are disproportionately more likely to experience compliant handcuffing, restraint tactics, tasers, etc., than white people?

The HMICFRS' own words

In a 2016 public survey conducted by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, concern among the respondents about how frequently the police use force was relatively low. But Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic respondents had less trust in the police’s ability to use force reasonably and were more concerned about the frequency with which officers use force. This was particularly the case for Black respondents. Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic people were more likely to report having experienced use of force in public spaces than in their homes, compared with White people. People who reported having direct experience of police using force on them believed that police were more ready to use excessive force and that oral communication was not attempted first. This group also lacked confidence in the complaints system. Good communication was seen as essential to preventing situations from escalating to a point where force needed to be used. While officers felt that oral commands and ‘talkdown’ methods were always used initially to manage situations, people who had experienced force felt that officers often resorted to force too quickly.

Recent research supports the views provided to the public survey and suggests that ethnicity is associated with differences in what force is being used in use of force incidents. The research found that the likelihood of officers drawing equipment or weapons and using unarmed force (but not using the equipment or weapons) was higher when the person was identified as Black than when the person was identified as White, although people perceived by the officer as Black were less likely to be injured or hospitalised. And the 2019/20 data shows that officers were more than nine times as likely to have drawn Tasers (but not discharged them) during incidents involving someone they identified as Black than during incidents involving people perceived by officers to be White. Furthermore, Black people were eight times more likely to be ‘compliant handcuffed’ than White people, and over three times more likely to have a spit and bite guard used on them than White people. The reasons for this are unclear, but it could mean that force is used on Black people with less justification than on White people. The IOPC is currently carrying out a review of Taser complaints.

I didn’t say it was acceptable. I did say that looking at police stats out of context is misleading.

[Son of Mathonwy]

So you believe there's a perfectly acceptable reason why black people are disproportionately more likely to experience compliant handcuffing, restraint tactics, tasers, etc., than white people?

The HMICFRS' own words

In a 2016 public survey conducted by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, concern among the respondents about how frequently the police use force was relatively low. But Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic respondents had less trust in the police’s ability to use force reasonably and were more concerned about the frequency with which officers use force. This was particularly the case for Black respondents. Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic people were more likely to report having experienced use of force in public spaces than in their homes, compared with White people. People who reported having direct experience of police using force on them believed that police were more ready to use excessive force and that oral communication was not attempted first. This group also lacked confidence in the complaints system. Good communication was seen as essential to preventing situations from escalating to a point where force needed to be used. While officers felt that oral commands and ‘talkdown’ methods were always used initially to manage situations, people who had experienced force felt that officers often resorted to force too quickly.

Recent research supports the views provided to the public survey and suggests that ethnicity is associated with differences in what force is being used in use of force incidents. The research found that the likelihood of officers drawing equipment or weapons and using unarmed force (but not using the equipment or weapons) was higher when the person was identified as Black than when the person was identified as White, although people perceived by the officer as Black were less likely to be injured or hospitalised. And the 2019/20 data shows that officers were more than nine times as likely to have drawn Tasers (but not discharged them) during incidents involving someone they identified as Black than during incidents involving people perceived by officers to be White. Furthermore, Black people were eight times more likely to be ‘compliant handcuffed’ than White people, and over three times more likely to have a spit and bite guard used on them than White people. The reasons for this are unclear, but it could mean that force is used on Black people with less justification than on White people. The IOPC is currently carrying out a review of Taser complaints.

I didn’t say it was acceptable. I did say that looking at police stats out of context is misleading.

As Cas says, the context is that little has improved since the Macpherson Report, which concluded that the Met (and other Police services) are institutionally racist.

In that context you don't give the police the benefit of the doubt. You have to assume that at least part of the disproportionate use of force is due to racial discrimination.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 1/4262.pdf

As the report says, (6.45) in relation to racial disparity in "stop and search figures": Whilst we acknowledge and recognise the complexity of this issue and in particular the other factors which can be prayed in aid to explain the disparities, such as demographic mix, school exclusions, unemployment, and recording procedures, there remains, in our judgment, a clear core conclusion of racist stereotyping.

The same point can be made for the "use of force" figures.

As the police have been unable to police themselves* in the 22 years since Macpherson, they clearly need better, independent regulation. The current system is clearly failing in London (and possibly beyond).


*ironic, but not without precedent.

[WaspInWales]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

I used to have that sympathetic view towards the police, but I think a drop in their recruitment standards have allowed a large number of unsavoury people into positions that they are clearly unsuitable for. I think many police forces have issues with toxic masculinity, racism, extremism as well as a lack of professionalism and empathy towards victims of crime.

However, like many public services, they have been completely fucked over by this government, but I bet most of the thin blue line would vote Tory if an election was called tomorrow.

[Sandydragon]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

I used to have that sympathetic view towards the police, but I think a drop in their recruitment standards have allowed a large number of unsavoury people into positions that they are clearly unsuitable for. I think many police forces have issues with toxic masculinity, racism, extremism as well as a lack of professionalism and empathy towards victims of crime.

However, like many public services, they have been completely fucked over by this government, but I bet most of the thin blue line would vote Tory if an election was called tomorrow.

That’s part of the problem and the remit of the police seems to grow into areas of social care where it’s not their business. But they don’t help themselves either in some of their operational planning.

But clearly black children and men do less well than other ethnic groups in the UK. They do less well at school, on the workplace and they are more likely to have a run in with the police. The data provided by multiple sources shows that the police do arrest more black men and use force more often. But that’s not the case with other ethnic minorities. Asian men are more or less the same proportion as white men. Surely if the police were racist, there would be disparity there too.

And if schooling and the workplace is also not favouring black boys and men, then should we be declaring teachers as racist, all employers as racist and the nhs as racist as well apparently. The police are generally reactive to social problems and many social studies highlight the link between poverty and crime. If black people are more likely to be poor, and they are, then they are more likely to live on high crime areas.

So describing the pigs as racist is just lazy and misses the bugger picture. The police are just a convenient punchbag for certain groups who can’t be bothered to look at the problem closely enough.

[morepork]

Certain groups are just a convenient punchbag for the police.



Fixumundo

[Donny osmond]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

I used to have that sympathetic view towards the police, but I think a drop in their recruitment standards have allowed a large number of unsavoury people into positions that they are clearly unsuitable for. I think many police forces have issues with toxic masculinity, racism, extremism as well as a lack of professionalism and empathy towards victims of crime.

However, like many public services, they have been completely fucked over by this government, but I bet most of the thin blue line would vote Tory if an election was called tomorrow.

That’s part of the problem and the remit of the police seems to grow into areas of social care where it’s not their business. But they don’t help themselves either in some of their operational planning.

But clearly black children and men do less well than other ethnic groups in the UK. They do less well at school, on the workplace and they are more likely to have a run in with the police. The data provided by multiple sources shows that the police do arrest more black men and use force more often. But that’s not the case with other ethnic minorities. Asian men are more or less the same proportion as white men. Surely if the police were racist, there would be disparity there too.

And if schooling and the workplace is also not favouring black boys and men, then should we be declaring teachers as racist, all employers as racist and the nhs as racist as well apparently. The police are generally reactive to social problems and many social studies highlight the link between poverty and crime. If black people are more likely to be poor, and they are, then they are more likely to live on high crime areas.

So describing the pigs as racist is just lazy and misses the bugger picture. The police are just a convenient punchbag for certain groups who can’t be bothered to look at the problem closely enough.

Well said

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[morepork]

The cops are the victims here? Really??

[Son of Mathonwy]

The police are the same as any other large institution. Mostly, there's plenty of hard working and honest coppers. But there are some awful ones who deserve to be rooted out and sacked, or criminally charged where appropriate. The problem is often that any bad apple tarnishes the whole organisation, which is exacerbated by senior management not wanting to admit to a problem because they know the perception that it will cause.

I used to have that sympathetic view towards the police, but I think a drop in their recruitment standards have allowed a large number of unsavoury people into positions that they are clearly unsuitable for. I think many police forces have issues with toxic masculinity, racism, extremism as well as a lack of professionalism and empathy towards victims of crime.

However, like many public services, they have been completely fucked over by this government, but I bet most of the thin blue line would vote Tory if an election was called tomorrow.

That’s part of the problem and the remit of the police seems to grow into areas of social care where it’s not their business. But they don’t help themselves either in some of their operational planning.

But clearly black children and men do less well than other ethnic groups in the UK. They do less well at school, on the workplace and they are more likely to have a run in with the police. The data provided by multiple sources shows that the police do arrest more black men and use force more often. But that’s not the case with other ethnic minorities. Asian men are more or less the same proportion as white men. Surely if the police were racist, there would be disparity there too.

And if schooling and the workplace is also not favouring black boys and men, then should we be declaring teachers as racist, all employers as racist and the nhs as racist as well apparently. The police are generally reactive to social problems and many social studies highlight the link between poverty and crime. If black people are more likely to be poor, and they are, then they are more likely to live on high crime areas.

So describing the pigs as racist is just lazy and misses the bugger picture. The police are just a convenient punchbag for certain groups who can’t be bothered to look at the problem closely enough.

"The pigs are racist" is indeed a lazy statement.

But "the police force is institutionally racist" is the truth.

It's not alone of course. Many parts of our society are instituationally racist too (eg our education system (not individual schools) is set up to benefit the wealthy, which means that black people, being generally poorer, will suffer worse outcomes).

But that doesn't give the police a free pass, they still need to fix their own problems. If we wait for the whole of society to be fixed before expecting the police to take action, nothing will ever be done.

[WaspInWales]

That’s part of the problem and the remit of the police seems to grow into areas of social care where it’s not their business. But they don’t help themselves either in some of their operational planning.

But clearly black children and men do less well than other ethnic groups in the UK. They do less well at school, on the workplace and they are more likely to have a run in with the police. The data provided by multiple sources shows that the police do arrest more black men and use force more often. But that’s not the case with other ethnic minorities. Asian men are more or less the same proportion as white men. Surely if the police were racist, there would be disparity there too.

And if schooling and the workplace is also not favouring black boys and men, then should we be declaring teachers as racist, all employers as racist and the nhs as racist as well apparently. The police are generally reactive to social problems and many social studies highlight the link between poverty and crime. If black people are more likely to be poor, and they are, then they are more likely to live on high crime areas.

So describing the pigs as racist is just lazy and misses the bugger picture. The police are just a convenient punchbag for certain groups who can’t be bothered to look at the problem closely enough.

First off, I wasn't referring to arrest rates, or likelihood of being arrested due to the colour of one's skin. That's a whole other debate involving socio-economic factors, as well as racism.

Neither did I use the word pigs.

My comment was about how a lowering of recruitment standards, as well as vetting have allowed vile people into the positions.

As for the police being punchbags, they should be getting held to account for their failings. I absolutely understand that some of their failings are due to reasons out of their control, but many of their failings are down to the personnel they employ. Obviously, not all police officers are rapists, murderers, right-wing extremists, sexual predators, misogynists, lairs, bullies etc, etc but there is so much evidence to suggest that quite a few are and it is systemic.

They have absolutely failed to protect vulnerable people and victims of domestic abuse...even when the victims have contacted them several times.

The Met's decision not to investigate the many government breaches of lockdown restrictions is just more proof that they are not serving, or protecting us.

I've had several dealings with the police in recent years. I used to ride hundreds of kilometres every week on the road until injury recently finished that for me. As I got so fed up with coming close to being killed on every ride by wankers driving like cunts, I got a camera to record the incidents in order to submit to a dedicated police team created to protect vulnerable road users. They have not prosecuted a single driver from over 100 videos I submitted to them and the same applies for anyone else I know who has submitted footage. It's not for a lack of evidence. The videos clearly show inconsiderate driving and in some cases recklessly dangerous. I also recorded many close passes over solid white lines with vehicles approaching in the other lane, but the only response from the police was a letter to the registered owners or no further action. In fact, they threatened to prosecute me for swearing at the drivers after a close pass. I shit you not. I have come literally inches away from being wiped out by dickheads passing me at speeds over 50 kmh and yet me calling that driver a cunt in response is their issue!?! They repeatedly excused poor driving even with the evidence that I had been passed well within the 1.5 m passing distance they advise.

They also said the cps would not prosecute as my reputation would be called into question for saying the c word. After complaining, a female inspector from Gwent police advised that a female magistrate would be offended in they heard that in court. Again, I shit you not.

I've taken it further with my MP who has been superb tbf...but she's not a Tory cunt which helps.

I've no doubt me complaining to the unit directly, as well as to Gwent police affected the 'service' I received, but the same is happening all over the country to vulnerable road users....and this is just one issue. They are failing victims of crime everywhere.

UK police forces are simply not fit for purpose. Again, that doesn't mean all cops and it doesn't mean all causes are internal.

EDIT: Actually, one single prosecution was the result of all those videos. However, a key point is that it wasn't submitted to Operation Snap (the dedicated police unit). As the incident occurred in Surrey and Surrey police don't use Operation Snap, I uploaded it directly to them and they decided to issue an notice of intended prosecution.

Also, I took it upon myself to contact the cps in order to clarify whether me swearing in response to close passes would be a barrier to prosecution and they advised that it wouldn't. They're just interested whether something is likely to result in a successful case and if it's in the public interest. Road safety is definitely in the public interest and video evidence is extremely helpful in getting convictions.

So, it turns out the police are just neglecting their duties to the vulnerable whilst not bothering with the blatant corruption and law breaking by the government.

[WaspInWales]

"The pigs are racist" is indeed a lazy statement.

But "the police force is institutionally racist" is the truth.

It's not alone of course. Many parts of our society are instituationally racist too (eg our education system (not individual schools) is set up to benefit the wealthy, which means that black people, being generally poorer, will suffer worse outcomes).

But that doesn't give the police a free pass, they still need to fix their own problems. If we wait for the whole of society to be fixed before expecting the police to take action, nothing will ever be done.

Yep.

How is a society fixed though?

I've honestly never seen so many examples if shithousery from people. Not many people seem to give a fuck about anyone else these days...although many that claim to do so,stop giving a fuck the moment they finish virtue signalling on social media.