gaza conflict

[Son of Mathonwy]

The UK is actively assisting Israel in its actions in Gaza:

https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-brit ... ombs-gaza/

[Son of Mathonwy]

According to this Lancet article, there could easily be another 10k Gazans buried in the rubble.

The 37k or so reported deaths were directly caused by Israeli action. But indirect deaths are likely to amount to a far higher figure (3 to 15 times higher in similar situations) leading to a very rough and conservative estimate of 186k:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext

[Son of Mathonwy]

I don't normally use the word but this is just evil:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... za-injured

[Son of Mathonwy]

Time's passing. I'm wondering if Labour will make any changes from Tory policy re Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... srael-gaza

They said they were going to review the legality of arms sales to Israel. I wonder how that's progressing?

[Son of Mathonwy]

Landmark ruling:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ourt-finds

As well as ordering an end to the occupation as soon as possible, the court, which consists of 15 judges, said Israel must put an end to all unlawful acts, including ceasing all new settlement activity and repealing legislation that maintains the occupation, including that which discriminates against Palestinians or seeks to modify the demographic composition of any parts of the occupied territory.

Salam said reparations included restitution, compensation and/or satisfaction, defining the former as “Israel’s obligation to return the land and other immovable property, as well as all assets seized from any natural or legal person since its occupation started in 1967, and all cultural property and assets taken from Palestinians and Palestinian institutions, including archives and documents.

“It also requires the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements and the dismantling of the parts of the wall constructed by Israel that are situated in the occupied Palestinian territory, as well as allowing all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their original place of residence.”

And yes, it is apartheid.

It would be nice if the UK acted on this, as it claims to be a supporter of international law.

[Which Tyler]

It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well

[Son of Mathonwy]

It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well

Yeah. I mean almost all of the ruling is obvious and has been for 57 years. It shouldn't even need to be spelled out.

But this will make it impossible for the UK deny*. (They'll ignore it instead.)


* Israel and the USA will, though.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Oh my God, a good decision from Lammy:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... avid-lammy

Disgraceful that the Tories never restored funding, despite everyone except the US doing so.

Well done Lammy, but don't stop there.

[paddy no 11]

Bella Hadid is anti semite now according to Adidas I notice the Adidas statement doesn't acknowledge her parents were ethnically cleansed from Palestine

[Son of Mathonwy]

Although there a suggestions that Harris might take a different line than Biden on Gaza, she goes and meets Netanyahu anyway. She's only the VP - couldn't she have made some excuse (she's pretty busy right now) not to meet the genocider?

[Which Tyler]

What do you want her to do?
Refuse to meet a head of state that she WILL have to talk to, and try to talk around, if she becomes president?

She's also shown more opposition to Israel than Biden, Trump, or... any American presidential candidate since... before I was born, probably?

[Puja]

Although there a suggestions that Harris might take a different line than Biden on Gaza, she goes and meets Netanyahu anyway. She's only the VP - couldn't she have made some excuse (she's pretty busy right now) not to meet the genocider?

She has at least spoken words about needing a ceasefire and made noises about concern for civilians. It's an improvement, even if that is a low bar to trip over.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Although there a suggestions that Harris might take a different line than Biden on Gaza, she goes and meets Netanyahu anyway. She's only the VP - couldn't she have made some excuse (she's pretty busy right now) not to meet the genocider?

She has at least spoken words about needing a ceasefire and made noises about concern for civilians. It's an improvement, even if that is a low bar to trip over.

Puja

Yeah, it's a tiny improvement. The 'unswerving support for Israel' remains, as ever. It's like holding a kid down for a bully but saying 'ooh, don't knock all their teeth out'.

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is good from Labour:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/article ... hu-gallant

It's mostly political (the Tories' action was only really likely to delay the arrest warrants?) but it's something.

Better still is the suggestion (at the end) that at least a ban on the sale of 'offensive' weapons is in the pipeline.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Could this perhaps be a hint of double standards, just maybe?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... hts-attack

It seems that blowing up Arab children in a rocket attack is horrific if you're Hezbollah, not so much if you're Israel, who are doing it most days.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... le-in-gaza

[paddy no 11]

Could this perhaps be a hint of double standards, just maybe?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... hts-attack

It seems that blowing up Arab children in a rocket attack is horrific if you're Hezbollah, not so much if you're Israel, who are doing it most days.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... le-in-gaza

It's this lack of equivalence between Palestinians that really makes the whole thing so infuriating

Israel could end this whole thing tomorrow but they won't, they'll just continue to ethnically cleanse the west bank and satisfy their ultras

And the west just say go ahead spartan from a few toothless judges and a toothless U.N

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is good from Labour:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/article ... hu-gallant

It's mostly political (the Tories' action was only really likely to delay the arrest warrants?) but it's something.

Better still is the suggestion (at the end) that at least a ban on the sale of 'offensive' weapons is in the pipeline.

Now delayed. So much for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... non-crisis

[paddy no 11]

Gaza is nowhere now

"Moderate" leader dead, there'll be no negotiations now until next guy comes in who's likely to be more militant which suits bibi down to the ground

Bibi extends his perpetual war into Lebanon and its a total cluster fuck

The world is basically relying on Qatar to try and resolve this and that's not going to happen

[Son of Mathonwy]

Gaza is nowhere now

"Moderate" leader dead, there'll be no negotiations now until next guy comes in who's likely to be more militant which suits bibi down to the ground

Bibi extends his perpetual war into Lebanon and its a total cluster fuck

The world is basically relying on Qatar to try and resolve this and that's not going to happen

We're the indifferent* cop, USA is the bad cop, Israel is the psycho cop. We all have our part to play.

The US could pull the plug at any time. By their actions they show that they're happy with the butchery.


* and that's being generous to Labour who have yet to really prove where they stand, although are substantially continuing the Tories' moderately evil cop role.

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is good from Labour:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/article ... hu-gallant

It's mostly political (the Tories' action was only really likely to delay the arrest warrants?) but it's something.

Better still is the suggestion (at the end) that at least a ban on the sale of 'offensive' weapons is in the pipeline.

Now delayed. So much for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... non-crisis

Really, how long does it take for lawyers to determine if Israel is committing wars crimes or crimes against humanity? I'm sorry if it costs those amoral bastards at BAE but we need to stop arms sales now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... k-diplomat

[paddy no 11]

Doubtless they'll say hezbollah/Iran are a threat so nothing will change

I'm 45 now, I think if I live to 65 I'll see the complete takeover of the west bank or it'll be reduced to a minor gaza style prison. I'm resigned to this now

[paddy no 11]

Anyone see channel 4 news tonight, absolutely disturbing

[Son of Mathonwy]

Anyone see channel 4 news tonight, absolutely disturbing

The most moral army in the world. It's disturbing but not surprising.

[paddy no 11]

Polio being detected for the 1st time in 25 years in gaza

[Son of Mathonwy]

Legal advice: there is a real possibility that the UK and individuals in the UK have broken international law due to their assistance of Israel in Gaza and more generally over the occupation of Palestine:

there is a real prospect that the UK and/or
individuals herein have committed breaches of international law (by
vicarious liability).
(1) Re. Israel’s breaches of the prohibitions of acquisition of territory by
aggression and (allegedly) genocide and torture, and the Palestinian
peoples’ right to self-determination: There is a real prospect that the
UK or individuals herein rendered aid which facilitated these wrongs
and alleged wrongs. This, alone, would be sufficient to establish
vicarious liability in international law.
(2) Re. Israel’s alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity: there is
a real prospect that the UK and/or individuals herein rendered aid
and assistance which facilitated the alleged wrongs and had the
requisite knowledge thereof. This would be sufficient to establish
vicarious liability in international law.

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/wp-con ... F_INAL.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... an-deny-it