England vs New Zealand - Saturday

[Oakboy]

Small margins count. Maybe, Steward as a rock under the high ball; Underhill to provide early first-up tackling; Willis to provide legal physicality - as the only changes after the 60th minute would have done the trick. That's three bench selection changes plus leaving Randall and Ford to their seat-warming.

[Puja]

Speaking of the bench, was anyone else unaware that Isiekwe had come on for Ollie Lawrence until reading articles after the game? I had assumed that he had come on for a forward and couldn't figure out which one, but no, it was a tactical substitution for the last 4 minutes to put Earl into the centres and play with 9 forwards.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

I don't think I realised he even got onto the pitch

[twitchy]

Small margins count. Maybe, Steward as a rock under the high ball; Underhill to provide early first-up tackling; Willis to provide legal physicality - as the only changes after the 60th minute would have done the trick. That's three bench selection changes plus leaving Randall and Ford to their seat-warming.

They probably wouldn't have kicked it at steward, just exploited his own weaknesses. It's hard to "what if" vs a clever side like NZ.

[SixAndAHalf]

Speaking of the bench, was anyone else unaware that Isiekwe had come on for Ollie Lawrence until reading articles after the game? I had assumed that he had come on for a forward and couldn't figure out which one, but no, it was a tactical substitution for the last 4 minutes to put Earl into the centres and play with 9 forwards.

Puja

I hadn't - seems especially reckless given the lack of authority between 8 and 9 in the final scrum.

[LongForgotten]

Speaking of the bench, was anyone else unaware that Isiekwe had come on for Ollie Lawrence until reading articles after the game? I had assumed that he had come on for a forward and couldn't figure out which one, but no, it was a tactical substitution for the last 4 minutes to put Earl into the centres and play with 9 forwards.

Puja

I strongly dislike 6-2 splits because I don't think it's sensible to have to change an entire backline for one injury, but if you are going to copy the South African system isn't the key to get the starting players to go all out for 50 minutes and then bring on the 6 forwards?

[Stom]

I don't think I realised he even got onto the pitch

Yeah, he made a tackle, and then did his best Ben Earl impression, screaming like a loon.

[Puja]

I don't think I realised he even got onto the pitch

Yeah, he made a tackle, and then did his best Ben Earl impression, screaming like a loon.

I was massively disappointed in Itoje on Saturday actually. Screamed like he was appealing for an LBW on two occasions - for the high tackle that wasn't given on Earl and for the tackle off the ball that eventually was given on IFW. Not decent behaviour from someone who's supposed to be setting an example.

Speaking of the bench, was anyone else unaware that Isiekwe had come on for Ollie Lawrence until reading articles after the game? I had assumed that he had come on for a forward and couldn't figure out which one, but no, it was a tactical substitution for the last 4 minutes to put Earl into the centres and play with 9 forwards.

Puja

I strongly dislike 6-2 splits because I don't think it's sensible to have to change an entire backline for one injury, but if you are going to copy the South African system isn't the key to get the starting players to go all out for 50 minutes and then bring on the 6 forwards?

Bang on. The issue was that the forwards we had to bring on and off didn't suit that/clashed with the pre-match plan. Given the situation, with both locks still going well and looking fit, it should've been all three back row coming off at 60 minutes and a trio of high energy tacklers and jackallers coming on. The first problem is that Isiekwe is not a high-energy tackler and jackaller, but a competent lock-forward which means we either took off one of the excelling locks or we moved a tired lock to the blindside, neither of which is what we wanted. Instead, we made two changes, which is fair, but leads to the second problem, which is that Earl has inherited Fazlet's cloak of unsubbability and so, instead of bringing on Dombrandt at 8 and BCurry for CCS to leave us with big jackalling energy, we instead asked a tired Earl to change role. Ended up with him putting in another lazy/exhausted no-arms tackle to swing the momentum, followed later by a penalty for putting his hands on the floor in a jackal and not listening to the ref which gave them field position. The 8 should be who we're asking to empty the tank running and then sub off, not who we ask to empty the tank and then switch position (twice!).

Felt like we had a bench plan that relied on Chessum and then didn't abandon it when we lost Chessum.

Puja

[FKAS]

I don't think I realised he even got onto the pitch

Yeah, he made a tackle, and then did his best Ben Earl impression, screaming like a loon.

It is the Saracens way.

[p/d]

Speaking of the bench, was anyone else unaware that Isiekwe had come on for Ollie Lawrence until reading articles after the game? I had assumed that he had come on for a forward and couldn't figure out which one, but no, it was a tactical substitution for the last 4 minutes to put Earl into the centres and play with 9 forwards.

Puja

I think Lawrence was hobbling about. So it could have been an injury replacement .

[Mellsblue]

I don't think I realised he even got onto the pitch

Yeah, he made a tackle, and then did his best Ben Earl impression, screaming like a loon.

I was massively disappointed in Itoje on Saturday actually. Screamed like he was appealing for an LBW on two occasions - for the high tackle that wasn't given on Earl and for the tackle off the ball that eventually was given on IFW. Not decent behaviour from someone who's supposed to be setting an example.

Puja

I can assume Stom’s affections have gone to his head.

[Mikey Brown]

Get ready for a lengthy and utterly pointless post.

I was curious to look back at Dombrandt's involvements in particular when the replacements came on, and whether those opinions were formed before or after the game. I wasn't intending to post a m-b-m rundown, I just started making some notes. Don't worry Puja, I don't think anyone will be requesting that I take over.

Don't go expecting anythng interesting out of this. I didn't know what to expect either. This is a simple (and as unbiased as I can be) list of his involvements.

Comes on at 65 minutes with Ben Curry to 6 and Ben Earl to 7.

- Spends the first few phases bopping about but never really close to the action, then is first to respond and secure an Itoje turnover. Lucky not to lose this as Lawrence comes in at 90 degrees to the ruck, right next to the ref. Turns out that followed the no arms tackle from Earl so it's a penalty conceded anyway.

- Runs a very optimstic line in support of IFW's kick chase that would have seen him clean through for a try if the miracle offload/catch had come.

- First to jump on a botched NZ lineout to win the ball back.

- Holds Telea up in the tackle but NZ had advantage.

- Does a fair, if unremerakable, job tackling and slowing the ball as NZ go 4 or 5 phases before England concede another penalty. Reads the dodgy NZ 'trick play' from the tap and go very well to shut that down behind the gain line. Another good tackle on Savea behind the gainline, but then Earl gives away a pen and Telea bazongas his way through Ford in the corner.

- Solid ruck clearance before Furbank gets caught with a massive hit and we're slowed behind the gainline again. Takes the slow ball up into two very eager NZ tackler and manages to hold his ground, but nothing more. Actually I think this was Isiekwe, despite what commentators said.

- 25 minutes or so of waiting around to see if ALB receives 1, 2 or 3 yellow cards, even though he's already off the field. I'd seen Isiekwe credited with the chase and tackle from Ford's missed pen, the camera certainly catches him having a jolly old time, but it's actually Slade.

- I was waiting to see if Dombrandt loses control at this crucial scrum but Randall is in there between Curry (now at openside) and Itoje immediately, with our front row already buckling. I'm almost sympathetic to Randall here - Savea is right in his face as he picks up on the left but he instinctively tries to step back to the blind. He turns to look for Slade but he's too far out to be a realistic option and then just flings a wild pass back towards Ford, Furbank and Earl. He simply wasn't in a position to take that ball out, but compounded the error by throwing a terrible pass to a man in a worse position.

- Finally Dombrandt actually touches the ball, on the very last phase of the game in a series of carries to set up DG position. George kneels down on top of both the ball and the ruck and has a little nap while Randall tries to wrestle it out. Isiekwe comes round the corner and stands directly in the path of Randall's pass to Ford and yep, we've fucked it.

Pretty unremarkable, but actually had some good defensive interventions. I imagine he was instructed to lurk for turnover opportunities around the tackle area. It's notable that he didn't carry at all, but there was barely more than 2-3 phases at once in the 15 minutes he was on - I haven't skipped large passages of play here it's just that barely anything happened outside of box kicks and scrums.

He chased kicks and was generally the second forward waiting to clear or receive the tip-on. I don't think he was to blame for anything particularly, but whether it was his fault or not he again didn't manage to have a meaningful impact with the ball.

Would Tom Willis have done any more? I don't see where to be honest, but possibly. Does Borthwick have a plan to make better use of our bench forwards? Let's fucking hope so.

Minor apologies to Randall and whatever the opposite of that is to Isiekwe.

[Puja]

Get ready for a lengthy and utterly pointless post.

I was curious to look back at Dombrandt's involvements in particular when the replacements came on, and whether those opinions were formed before or after the game. I wasn't intending to post a m-b-m rundown, I just started making some notes. Don't worry Puja, I don't think anyone will be requesting that I take over.

Don't go expecting anythng interesting out of this. I didn't know what to expect either. This is a simple (and as unbiased as I can be) list of his involvements.

Comes on at 65 minutes with Ben Curry to 6 and Ben Earl to 7.

- Spends the first few phases bopping about but never really close to the action, then is first to respond and secure an Itoje turnover. Lucky not to lose this as Lawrence comes in at 90 degrees to the ruck, right next to the ref. Turns out that followed the no arms tackle from Earl so it's a penalty conceded anyway.

- Runs a very optimstic line in support of IFW's kick chase that would have seen him clean through for a try if the miracle offload/catch had come.

- First to jump on a botched NZ lineout to win the ball back.

- Holds Telea up in the tackle but NZ had advantage.

- Does a fair, if unremerakable, job tackling and slowing the ball as NZ go 4 or 5 phases before England concede another penalty. Reads the dodgy NZ 'trick play' from the tap and go very well to shut that down behind the gain line. Another good tackle on Savea behind the gainline, but then Earl gives away a pen and Telea bazongas his way through Ford in the corner.

- Solid ruck clearance before Furbank gets caught with a massive hit and we're slowed behind the gainline again. Takes the slow ball up into two very eager NZ tackler and manages to hold his ground, but nothing more. Actually I think this was Isiekwe, despite what commentators said.

- 25 minutes or so of waiting around to see if ALB receives 1, 2 or 3 yellow cards, even though he's already off the field. I'd seen Isiekwe credited with the chase and tackle from Ford's missed pen, the camera certainly catches him having a jolly old time, but it's actually Slade.

- I was waiting to see if Dombrandt loses control at this crucial scrum but Randall is in there between Curry (now at openside) and Itoje immediately, with our front row already buckling. I'm almost sympathetic to Randall here - Savea is right in his face as he picks up on the left but he instinctively tries to step back to the blind. He turns to look for Slade but he's too far out to be a realistic option and then just flings a wild pass back towards Ford, Furbank and Earl. He simply wasn't in a position to take that ball out, but compounded the error by throwing a terrible pass to a man in a worse position.

- Finally Dombrandt actually touches the ball, on the very last phase of the game in a series of carries to set up DG position. George kneels down on top of both the ball and the ruck and has a little nap while Randall tries to wrestle it out. Isiekwe comes round the corner and stands directly in the path of Randall's pass to Ford and yep, we've fucked it.

Pretty unremarkable, but actually had some good defensive interventions. I imagine he was instructed to lurk for turnover opportunities around the tackle area. It's notable that he didn't carry at all, but there was barely more than 2-3 phases at once in the 15 minutes he was on - I haven't skipped large passages of play here it's just that barely anything happened outside of box kicks and scrums.

He chased kicks and was generally the second forward waiting to clear or receive the tip-on. I don't think he was to blame for anything particularly, but whether it was his fault or not he again didn't manage to have a meaningful impact with the ball.

Would Tom Willis have done any more? I don't see where to be honest, but possibly. Does Borthwick have a plan to make better use of our bench forwards? Let's fucking hope so.

Minor apologies to Randall and whatever the opposite of that is to Isiekwe.

Thank you for this - my mental health is currently not in the state where I can commit to doing m-b-ms, so I'm not able to do it right now (might've been different if we hadn't lost, but I cannot face it for another game that we threw away), but I have been twitching seeing the criticism of the last 15 minutes wondering if confirmation bias means we're just seeing what we expect to see or if there is merit to the criticisms. Dombrandt in particular I thought was unfairly traduced, as I thought he did okay, and I was struggling to resist the urge to go find data, so you doing it for me is very helpful indeed.

Also, while Randall does need a caning for fucking up the pass to Ford for the drop-goal, I think he does deserve marks for getting that ball away from the scrum by hook or by crook. Despite the fact that Tosi was cheating like a bastard on that scrum, there is absolutely no doubt that, had that ball stayed in for even a second more, Gardner would've given the easy call of a penalty to New Zealand, so for Randall to a) realise that and b) manage to get the ball away despite the immense pressure was a potential game-winning bit of work. Shame he fucked it up half a minute later, really.

Puja

[Puja]

Selection is a funny business. Reportedly, had he been fit, Chessum would have started at 6 yet CCS was our best back-rower.

Football has dumped a manager who failed to try to win from tight situations later in games.. Now, rugby has a HC making the same mistake.

Mind, the football has decided to plump for a foreign manager of a nationality that is a traditional rival, who has had sporadic success with previous jobs, with a reputation as a hard taskmaster/terrible man-manager, and a history of losing his temper and falling out with people, so it may be that their progress isn't exactly forwards...

Puja

[Oakboy]

Selection is a funny business. Reportedly, had he been fit, Chessum would have started at 6 yet CCS was our best back-rower.

Football has dumped a manager who failed to try to win from tight situations later in games.. Now, rugby has a HC making the same mistake.

Mind, the football has decided to plump for a foreign manager of a nationality that is a traditional rival, who has had sporadic success with previous jobs, with a reputation as a hard taskmaster/terrible man-manager, and a history of losing his temper and falling out with people, so it may be that their progress isn't exactly forwards...

Puja

Wow, you mean rugby did something before football. Should this not be on the Jones thread?

[Mikey Brown]

Also, while Randall does need a caning for fucking up the pass to Ford for the drop-goal, I think he does deserve marks for getting that ball away from the scrum by hook or by crook. Despite the fact that Tosi was cheating like a bastard on that scrum, there is absolutely no doubt that, had that ball stayed in for even a second more, Gardner would've given the easy call of a penalty to New Zealand, so for Randall to a) realise that and b) manage to get the ball away despite the immense pressure was a potential game-winning bit of work. Shame he fucked it up half a minute later, really.

Puja

Maybe I need to see another angle, but seeing just how much Isiekwe was in the way when he made the pass for the DG I’d give him some leeway there too. Maybe he could have pulled out but I don’t know if he had many options without risking a turnover.

I’ve never really expected Randall to look commanding as a 9 at test level and maybe that plays in to it. I’m still not convinced, but those two moments weren’t as bad as I first thought. Obviously our scrum getting melted (legally or not) was a far bigger factor, but I don’t see an obvious solution there.

[Puja]

Also, while Randall does need a caning for fucking up the pass to Ford for the drop-goal, I think he does deserve marks for getting that ball away from the scrum by hook or by crook. Despite the fact that Tosi was cheating like a bastard on that scrum, there is absolutely no doubt that, had that ball stayed in for even a second more, Gardner would've given the easy call of a penalty to New Zealand, so for Randall to a) realise that and b) manage to get the ball away despite the immense pressure was a potential game-winning bit of work. Shame he fucked it up half a minute later, really.

Puja

Maybe I need to see another angle, but seeing just how much Isiekwe was in the way when he made the pass for the DG I’d give him some leeway there too. Maybe he could have pulled out but I don’t know if he had many options without risking a turnover.

I’ve never really expected Randall to look commanding as a 9 at test level and maybe that plays in to it. I’m still not convinced, but those two moments weren’t as bad as I first thought. Obviously our scrum getting melted (legally or not) was a far bigger factor, but I don’t see an obvious solution there.

Not convinced I will give him leeway for Isiekwe. It was a drop goal pass from a set and stable ruck - he gets to decide the timing of it coming out. It's his job to make sure there's no-one in the way before he addresses the ball and, if someone is milling around, his job to instruct them politely to fuck off out of it (or, preferably, stand in a blocking position for the defence).

Puja

[Mikey Brown]

On one hand it's ridiculous to be scrutinizing this moment in such detail, but it really did decide the game.

You can't see it very well on the highlights I just looked at (though you do see Isiekwe dodging as he realises he's in the wrong place) but he comes from behind Randall after he reaches in for the pass and then just sort of bumbles in to the channel between Randall and Ford. The whole team are clearly setting up for a DG, there's no time for Randall to be reminding forwards to either be in a carrying position (as Earl is) or be clear of the passing channel.

It's a small thing in theory, and I'm not trying to hate on Isiekwe too much, but it's really poor timing at a crucial moment.

[Mikey Brown]

[Stom]

Selection is a funny business. Reportedly, had he been fit, Chessum would have started at 6 yet CCS was our best back-rower.

Football has dumped a manager who failed to try to win from tight situations later in games.. Now, rugby has a HC making the same mistake.

Mind, the football has decided to plump for a foreign manager of a nationality that is a traditional rival, who has had sporadic success with previous jobs, with a reputation as a hard taskmaster/terrible man-manager, and a history of losing his temper and falling out with people, so it may be that their progress isn't exactly forwards...

Puja

A point of order here, but Tuchel's history of falling out with people is generally with his bosses and those in charge of transfers...so he's not going to have that in international football.

[SixAndAHalf]

Get ready for a lengthy and utterly pointless post.

I was curious to look back at Dombrandt's involvements in particular when the replacements came on, and whether those opinions were formed before or after the game. I wasn't intending to post a m-b-m rundown, I just started making some notes. Don't worry Puja, I don't think anyone will be requesting that I take over.

Don't go expecting anythng interesting out of this. I didn't know what to expect either. This is a simple (and as unbiased as I can be) list of his involvements.

Comes on at 65 minutes with Ben Curry to 6 and Ben Earl to 7.

- Spends the first few phases bopping about but never really close to the action, then is first to respond and secure an Itoje turnover. Lucky not to lose this as Lawrence comes in at 90 degrees to the ruck, right next to the ref. Turns out that followed the no arms tackle from Earl so it's a penalty conceded anyway.

- Runs a very optimstic line in support of IFW's kick chase that would have seen him clean through for a try if the miracle offload/catch had come.

- First to jump on a botched NZ lineout to win the ball back.

- Holds Telea up in the tackle but NZ had advantage.

- Does a fair, if unremerakable, job tackling and slowing the ball as NZ go 4 or 5 phases before England concede another penalty. Reads the dodgy NZ 'trick play' from the tap and go very well to shut that down behind the gain line. Another good tackle on Savea behind the gainline, but then Earl gives away a pen and Telea bazongas his way through Ford in the corner.

- Solid ruck clearance before Furbank gets caught with a massive hit and we're slowed behind the gainline again. Takes the slow ball up into two very eager NZ tackler and manages to hold his ground, but nothing more. Actually I think this was Isiekwe, despite what commentators said.

- 25 minutes or so of waiting around to see if ALB receives 1, 2 or 3 yellow cards, even though he's already off the field. I'd seen Isiekwe credited with the chase and tackle from Ford's missed pen, the camera certainly catches him having a jolly old time, but it's actually Slade.

- I was waiting to see if Dombrandt loses control at this crucial scrum but Randall is in there between Curry (now at openside) and Itoje immediately, with our front row already buckling. I'm almost sympathetic to Randall here - Savea is right in his face as he picks up on the left but he instinctively tries to step back to the blind. He turns to look for Slade but he's too far out to be a realistic option and then just flings a wild pass back towards Ford, Furbank and Earl. He simply wasn't in a position to take that ball out, but compounded the error by throwing a terrible pass to a man in a worse position.

- Finally Dombrandt actually touches the ball, on the very last phase of the game in a series of carries to set up DG position. George kneels down on top of both the ball and the ruck and has a little nap while Randall tries to wrestle it out. Isiekwe comes round the corner and stands directly in the path of Randall's pass to Ford and yep, we've fucked it.

Pretty unremarkable, but actually had some good defensive interventions. I imagine he was instructed to lurk for turnover opportunities around the tackle area. It's notable that he didn't carry at all, but there was barely more than 2-3 phases at once in the 15 minutes he was on - I haven't skipped large passages of play here it's just that barely anything happened outside of box kicks and scrums.

He chased kicks and was generally the second forward waiting to clear or receive the tip-on. I don't think he was to blame for anything particularly, but whether it was his fault or not he again didn't manage to have a meaningful impact with the ball.

Would Tom Willis have done any more? I don't see where to be honest, but possibly. Does Borthwick have a plan to make better use of our bench forwards? Let's fucking hope so.

Minor apologies to Randall and whatever the opposite of that is to Isiekwe.

I believe there was also a carry soon after he came on where he ran quite a tentative line close to the ruck and was dumped back. That and the last scrum were my main (disappointing) impressions of his cameo.

[Mikey Brown]

What exactly about the last scrum though? Not packing down between flanker and lock? The ball didn't even make it to the second row.

Getting dumped back didn't happen, unless you're thinking of the Isiekwe one. That would be unfair on Isiekwe too I think. It was a good hit by two defenders on one.

We barely touched the ball until about 76 minutes.

[p/d]

Get ready for a lengthy and utterly pointless post.

I was curious to look back at Dombrandt's involvements in particular when the replacements came on, and whether those opinions were formed before or after the game. I wasn't intending to post a m-b-m rundown, I just started making some notes. Don't worry Puja, I don't think anyone will be requesting that I take over.

Don't go expecting anythng interesting out of this. I didn't know what to expect either. This is a simple (and as unbiased as I can be) list of his involvements.

Comes on at 65 minutes with Ben Curry to 6 and Ben Earl to 7.

- Spends the first few phases bopping about but never really close to the action, then is first to respond and secure an Itoje turnover. Lucky not to lose this as Lawrence comes in at 90 degrees to the ruck, right next to the ref. Turns out that followed the no arms tackle from Earl so it's a penalty conceded anyway.

- Runs a very optimstic line in support of IFW's kick chase that would have seen him clean through for a try if the miracle offload/catch had come.

- First to jump on a botched NZ lineout to win the ball back.

- Holds Telea up in the tackle but NZ had advantage.

- Does a fair, if unremerakable, job tackling and slowing the ball as NZ go 4 or 5 phases before England concede another penalty. Reads the dodgy NZ 'trick play' from the tap and go very well to shut that down behind the gain line. Another good tackle on Savea behind the gainline, but then Earl gives away a pen and Telea bazongas his way through Ford in the corner.

- Solid ruck clearance before Furbank gets caught with a massive hit and we're slowed behind the gainline again. Takes the slow ball up into two very eager NZ tackler and manages to hold his ground, but nothing more. Actually I think this was Isiekwe, despite what commentators said.

- 25 minutes or so of waiting around to see if ALB receives 1, 2 or 3 yellow cards, even though he's already off the field. I'd seen Isiekwe credited with the chase and tackle from Ford's missed pen, the camera certainly catches him having a jolly old time, but it's actually Slade.

- I was waiting to see if Dombrandt loses control at this crucial scrum but Randall is in there between Curry (now at openside) and Itoje immediately, with our front row already buckling. I'm almost sympathetic to Randall here - Savea is right in his face as he picks up on the left but he instinctively tries to step back to the blind. He turns to look for Slade but he's too far out to be a realistic option and then just flings a wild pass back towards Ford, Furbank and Earl. He simply wasn't in a position to take that ball out, but compounded the error by throwing a terrible pass to a man in a worse position.

- Finally Dombrandt actually touches the ball, on the very last phase of the game in a series of carries to set up DG position. George kneels down on top of both the ball and the ruck and has a little nap while Randall tries to wrestle it out. Isiekwe comes round the corner and stands directly in the path of Randall's pass to Ford and yep, we've fucked it.

Pretty unremarkable, but actually had some good defensive interventions. I imagine he was instructed to lurk for turnover opportunities around the tackle area. It's notable that he didn't carry at all, but there was barely more than 2-3 phases at once in the 15 minutes he was on - I haven't skipped large passages of play here it's just that barely anything happened outside of box kicks and scrums.

He chased kicks and was generally the second forward waiting to clear or receive the tip-on. I don't think he was to blame for anything particularly, but whether it was his fault or not he again didn't manage to have a meaningful impact with the ball.

Would Tom Willis have done any more? I don't see where to be honest, but possibly. Does Borthwick have a plan to make better use of our bench forwards? Let's fucking hope so.

Minor apologies to Randall and whatever the opposite of that is to Isiekwe.

I believe there was also a carry soon after he came on where he ran quite a tentative line close to the ruck and was dumped back. That and the last scrum were my main (disappointing) impressions of his cameo.

I believe there was a moment when he mouthed to Slade; ‘Owen would have got that’

[SixAndAHalf]

What exactly about the last scrum though? Not packing down between flanker and lock? The ball didn't even make it to the second row.

Getting dumped back didn't happen, unless you're thinking of the Isiekwe one. That would be unfair on Isiekwe too I think. It was a good hit by two defenders on one.

We barely touched the ball until about 76 minutes.

You are correct - I hadn't realised Isiekwe was on at that point so attributed it to Dombrandt. Watching the time from Dombrandt coming on (65 mins) to that carry (77 mins) made me realise how little ball we had with scrum pens killing us!

[fivepointer]

From Charlie Morgan in the Telegraph -

Lawrence registered only two carries against New Zealand, and not a single one after the 11th minute. That is an awful waste of one of their most dynamic runners.

Indeed, as statistician Russ Petty has outlined, Lawrence has totalled 11 carries across his past three Tests. George Martin has made 22 in the same period.

That is a stark demonstration of how England are struggling to bring Lawrence into games. Freeman was similarly peripheral against the All Blacks, registering just four carries. Slade himself had three.

Thought it was bad.